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New player and I am not happy. Am I missing something?

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J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#41 - 2014-01-09 10:54:51 UTC  |  Edited by: J'Poll
Paulus Attredies wrote:
I am not bashing this game. I just feel like I am missing something.

I have not actually done anything in the game for several weeks now. I am just training skills. The last time I did anything game related was doing the tutorials. Then I did about a week of killing space pirates. Then I bought a PLEX because, I absolutely loathe boring and repetitive quests/missions. The Space pirate missions are just awful after a few days. Am I missing something?


Yes. Go out and do what every floats your boat.

If you end up just playing skillqueue online....you will unsub quickly because it's boring.
If you end up falling for the "I need x amount of SP before I can do anything"...you will unsub quickly because it's boring.
If you end up falling for the "I need x amount of ISK before I can do anything"...you will unsub quickly because it's boring.


What should you do...what ever you want, if you want to PvP, there are MANY MANY options open to you.

RvB - info here / Public chat: R-V-B

Brave Newbies Inc- info here / Public chat: Brave Newbies

Enlist for Faction warfare site of choice or join a FW corp.

Not to mention all the public roams there are for you:

RvB Ganked - chat channel: RvB Ganked

Redemption Roads - chat channel: Redemption Road

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So I move on and check my invitations a day later. I join a PVP guild. One of those "we don't give a flying finger who joins" and low and behold I have found a good PVP guild. They seem active. When I join I see 10-15 players on a Wednesday, which I felt as if that was pretty active. I proceed to undock from the station and I get the message "Leaving this station will cause Concord to gun you down. Are you sure you want to undock?" Uhhh... Freak no.... I canceled the undock and asked my corp why I couldn't undock. Faction war, yadda yadda, undock and run away, Yeah nooo... so I quit that corp. Am I missing something?


So...you joined a corp, without doing a little research on what they are doing (Faction Warfare) and how faction warfare works.
And then get angry and quit the corp because of the "good" info they gave you (you should have joined after you've met up with the corp or should have moved towards them).

Use this guide to find your corp.

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I soon realized that the corporation recruiter/application tool is just awful. So I took it upon myself to find corps via the internet. Every corporation worth joining is:

A. unreachable
B. password protected
C. Requires 3-6 months of straight skill point training

or

D. a combination of both (99% are D)

Am I missing something?


Yes.

EVE isn't about SP amounts.
EVE isn't about instant gratifications.

You need patience and a very good attitude.
SP limits are in place for 1 main reason, to prevent lazy spies from entering the corp. If you show good attitude and determination to a recruiter, 99% of the times the SP limit isn't that hard of a rule to join.

Also, USE the forums. In game search tool is bad and easily manipulated to make your corp stand out if you know what boxes to tick. It also is a 30 second set up thing...forum posts usually take longer to make and a good forum thread more or less shows that a corp is serious about running it and recruiting members.

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Honestly. I am hammering this out, but am I missing something? Do I really have to wait this long and dig this hard to get into a community I can relate too?


No...

You can join a lot of communities from Day 1. It's the part where you have to find such communities where it gets rough for a new player. But EVE wouldn't be EVE if it didn't take brain cells, patience and some research to find stuff.

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Trying very hard here to get this game, but at the moment my impression is: pay money to play the game so I... don't play the game?... What?

Someone help me... I really like what this game stands for, but at the moment... I see no reason to carry on with the subscription. I am not paying money for a game I do not play.


Then start playing the game.
Do what ever you want to do for fun, don't let anything or anybody stop you from doing that.
It's your money you spent on the game, so do what YOU want to do.

EDIT:

A great way to find people / corps of interest.
Talk to people
Join public community channels that are available to you (a lot of EVE celebs have their own chat channels, some "organisations" have one) and talk in there / ask questions.

Personal channel: Crazy Dutch Guy

Help channel: Help chat - Reloaded

Public roams channels: RvB Ganked / Redemption Road / Spectre Fleet / Bombers bar / The Content Club
Leafar Nightfall
Silent Owls
#42 - 2014-01-09 12:37:34 UTC
I think OP is not even reading this anymore, but I'll post anyway

You're missing out your own target: PvP. You won't be doing much PvP if you're scared of undocking because you're in the other faction area. You should have asked what are the consequences of this alert to your corp mates or even googled it, as there's a **** ton of material about eve

Anyway, if you're maing focus is PvP, the first thing you would needed was an income source, which if you want to do PvP exclusively would be a pain in the ass to get in the first months. You completly skipped that part by buying a plex, which is worth about one hundred very well fitted frigates. So the boring part is already out of the way, all you have to do is blow them up

Don't think you should avoid PvP because you don't have SP "enough" yet. It's worth nothing if you don't practice and you'll make stupid decisions and lose ships anyway if you wait for your SP to grow first.
Vageena Clatoris
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#43 - 2014-01-09 12:59:32 UTC
I think it helps to have a goal and to set out to do that goal, what do you want to do ? mining ? freight hauling ? covert ops ? battleship/battlecruiser sniping/damage/tackling etc.

Eve online is a very steep learning curve and whilst the community has its fair share of asshats due to the capitalism and piracy focus of the game, there are people out there willing to learn and help new players.

You are right however, that Eve can become boring, however, if you can afford to, try running 2/3 characters. Doesn't have to be multiple accounts you can skill train two toons on one account.
Nuela
WoT Misfits
#44 - 2014-01-09 21:39:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Nuela
Paulus Attredies wrote:
I am not bashing this game. I just feel like I am missing something.

I have not actually done anything in the game for several weeks now. I am just training skills. The last time I did anything game related was doing the tutorials. Then I did about a week of killing space pirates. Then I bought a PLEX because, I absolutely loathe boring and repetitive quests/missions. The Space pirate missions are just awful after a few days. Am I missing something?

Now I am just lost training skills endlessly...

I supremely enjoy PVP. The reason I bought this game was because of some of the awesome and thrilling large scale battles between warring corporations. So I thought, "Ok I will apply to all the PVP corps using the in game corporation matcher thingy what ever". I got one quick response. This guy was insanely suspicious of everything. He was absolutely dumb founded. He was in shock and awe asking me how I found about this corp. After a long and I thought fruitful conversation about many different things, I asked him if I could join. I never got a response... He just AFK'ed and I never heard from him again. Am I missing something?

So I move on and check my invitations a day later. I join a PVP guild. One of those "we don't give a flying finger who joins" and low and behold I have found a good PVP guild. They seem active. When I join I see 10-15 players on a Wednesday, which I felt as if that was pretty active. I proceed to undock from the station and I get the message "Leaving this station will cause Concord to gun you down. Are you sure you want to undock?" Uhhh... Freak no.... I canceled the undock and asked my corp why I couldn't undock. Faction war, yadda yadda, undock and run away, Yeah nooo... so I quit that corp. Am I missing something?

I soon realized that the corporation recruiter/application tool is just awful. So I took it upon myself to find corps via the internet. Every corporation worth joining is:

A. unreachable
B. password protected
C. Requires 3-6 months of straight skill point training

or

D. a combination of both (99% are D)

Am I missing something?

Honestly. I am hammering this out, but am I missing something? Do I really have to wait this long and dig this hard to get into a community I can relate too?

Trying very hard here to get this game, but at the moment my impression is: pay money to play the game so I... don't play the game?... What?

Someone help me... I really like what this game stands for, but at the moment... I see no reason to carry on with the subscription. I am not paying money for a game I do not play.



You need to see it from the other side. If you are involved in recruiting and training of newbies (toons less than 6 months old) you will discover:

- Large amounts of newbies are just spy alts or corp thief wannabies. Not most but a significant percentage. It is much higher for hisec corps than nullsec IME but still is there.

- Even if you talk to the newb and he seems ok, there is a good chance he is actually an idiot. You find this out when he joins and proceeds to lose a billion Isk in ships in stupid ways.

- If you talk to a newb, you can waste tons of time talking to someone to have them just not apply. Newbs don't know what they want and are 'flighty' and easily distracted. Older toons usually know what they want/don't want and the conversation is quick and efficient.

- After they join, newbs are flighty. They seem to expect too much and lack their own internal goals and expect them to be gift wrapped for them. They think the grass may be greener and itch to explore and so many just leave the corp after a short period. Best to let em explore for a few months first before trying to recruit.

- Newb toons require much hand holding and explanation. This is time consuming and draining. Worth it if they stick around, but they usually don't...

TLDR - Newbs require much effort to recruit and train and usually are not worth the effort because they turn out to be idiots or flighty.

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Therefore, a sane person can take one of 2 stances. They can take new recruits but 'throw em to the wolves' by not wasting much time on them. If they are still around in a few weeks and don't seem to be an idiot THEN invest time in them. These new people are rare though. -OR- set a min SP requirement. Most corps go the latter route.

I used to be very active in recruiting and very 'mother hen'-y for new recruits. I even helped newbs not in my corp!

Now, if you aren't in my corp and haven't been around for awhile and/or are interesting...I don't usually bother :)
Snagletooth Johnson
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#45 - 2014-01-09 21:51:39 UTC
Azami Nevinyrall wrote:
Paulus Attredies wrote:
I have not actually done anything in the game for several weeks now.

WELCOME TO MY WORLD!!!

Besides playing Skillque Online, I see little interest in actually playing anymore...

What? Didint you get the memo? you're corp is now a Goon territorial protectorate. You're function is now to protect the Poco assets That RvB has collected for their new overlords...no PvP unless those assets are attacked...fall in line or you will never be invited to move up the food chain into Goons.

Pretty sad, RvB selling out and becoming a Hi-sec recruitment/training corp for goons
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#46 - 2014-01-09 22:43:25 UTC
Snagletooth Johnson wrote:
Azami Nevinyrall wrote:
Paulus Attredies wrote:
I have not actually done anything in the game for several weeks now.

WELCOME TO MY WORLD!!!

Besides playing Skillque Online, I see little interest in actually playing anymore...

What? Didint you get the memo? you're corp is now a Goon territorial protectorate. You're function is now to protect the Poco assets That RvB has collected for their new overlords...no PvP unless those assets are attacked...fall in line or you will never be invited to move up the food chain into Goons.

Pretty sad, RvB selling out and becoming a Hi-sec recruitment/training corp for goons



Someone sounds mad about Goons.


Proof of your weird imagination or it stays what it is....your weird imagination.

Personal channel: Crazy Dutch Guy

Help channel: Help chat - Reloaded

Public roams channels: RvB Ganked / Redemption Road / Spectre Fleet / Bombers bar / The Content Club
Corthon
Original Sinners
Pandemic Legion
#47 - 2014-01-10 01:10:07 UTC
Join Ether red federation or blue republic, these two corps are constantly at war with eachother and provide noob friendly fights and large scale battles with very very minimal downsides.
Miriya Zakalwe
World Wide Welp
#48 - 2014-01-10 01:24:36 UTC
To be fair to the OP, that FW station undock message is dumb.
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