EVE General Discussion

Actually, you are a bit early for the tears. If the Tornado comes out with a Tempest alpha (like currently on SISI) I, and every other ganker will be happy as a clam, and the carebear carnage will be glorious. I plan to buy 2 or 3 BPOS and keep them quite busy myself.

Save your hug for the dead Hulk pilots - if you can find them after they get podded by my temp account 'special' alts. I'll be laughing and reading the new improved podmails, NOW with more implants.

For today, we have insurance - Tomorrow we have Tornados.

Doesn't mean I am blind to the truth of it - just about every other move by CCP has been a direct counter to impede high-sec aggression.

Oh, and nobody infiltrates a corp to kill a Hulk. Tempests do that job just fine. You infiltrate to kill freighters, Jump Freighters and Orcas. They have a lot of EHP - and it is pretty hard to do that when the director can boot you in less than 30 seconds, getting you Concorded without the courtesy of a pop-up warning. Especially if the victim IS a director. Resulting petitions get the ship reimbursed, however the potential 1-5 Billion ISK kill is denied - the whole point of the exercise.

Just curious:

Having never done this, what if I had a Hulk loaded to the gills in high-sec ore?

How much ISK is that cargo worth anyway and is it worth anything to gank it at all?

TBH, I'm not exactly certain how much of a "problem" suicide ganking is. I am probably just about the carebeariest carebear out there, and I have not ONCE been suicide ganked in high sec. Sure, I've been targeted (and I presume cargo scanned) plenty of times when I afk-autopilot with an empty or low-value cargohold. But not once have I been shot at in high sec.

It all comes to one of the unwritten rules of EVE: don't haul more than 20 million ISK worth of goods in an untanked T1 hauler. If you want to haul expensive goods, then pick the right tool for the right job.

Got expensive officer mods to haul? Move them in a heavy tanked battlecruiser and don't AFK autopilot. Expensive BPOs? haul them in a cov ops ship. Technetium or other expensive bulk materials? Use a blockade runner. Got a billion ISK worth of trit to haul? Use a freighter. So on and so forth.


On the other hand, I *REALLY* don't like it when I hear about suicide gankers who gank "for the lulz". It's one thing if you gank for profit or for revenge, or because you want to drive the competition away. But it's another thing entirely when you can just go around blowing up people's relatively expensive ships at little/no cost to yourself.

However, there are better ways for CCP to fix this "problem" (if it really exists) than messing with insurance. They could start banning people who recycle alts (CCP could EASILY cross reference a character biomassing with the number of times they have attracted CONCORD's ire in the last month, for example). They could give miners a tankier ship to mine with, which would still be better than a Covetor. They could create some sort of intel gathering tool (which would finally give CCP an excuse to remove local in 0.0) so that miners can detect when someone is warping in on them without having to flood the server with d-scan requests.

So many ways that CCP could fix this problem without applying the sledge hammer to crack the walnut.

That being said, we have a saying in EVE, that isn't said often enough IMO:
Adapt or die.

However EVE evolves is the way EVE evolves and the players will just have to adapt to these changes regardless over whether the changes hurt carebears, null sec alliances, mercs, pirates or whoever.

Mmmm meth

Just to add another one, the changes to anchoring and onlining times for POS mods mean that even should a war target not evade the war it will be a completely trivial task to remove anything of value from a POS (many mods have had their times reduced by a factor of OVER 100).

Actually, there are other, smaller nerfs, too.

- Wreck baiting nerf - to protect greedy player from trying to steal free 'PLEX'
- Remote Repair modification - specifically to protect fat Incursion runners from losing their logi fleets to infiltrators.
- Noctis; tailor made to make salvage easy, yet useless to ninja salvagers - resulted in salvage value crashing hard.
- LVL 4 Loot nerf instead of desired rat bounty reduction - made mission theft far less attractive for salvagers/less of an issue for bears.

All very specific, direct, actions by CCP to protect 'bears,' and make their lives easier at the expense of those who prey on them.

A corresponding list of direct CCP action on behalf of gankers would be very short indeed, and probably quite incidental to the profession.

because something is on sisi doesn't mean it will come to TQ

To be honest i seriously doubt that CCP will change it so drasticly like changing one of the greatest fearfactor mechanics of high sec

I second this. I've seen it ruin the best mmorpg i've ever played.

Why are you wasting your time trolling here? Or trolling Tippia over in the threadnaught? Seriously.

If I were you, I'd be over in the 'Tier 3 Battlecruiser Balance' thread whining nonstop for the current SISI Tornado to be nerfed.
That is, if I was really stupid, and wanted a "Hello Kitty" highsec.

Cause that is all that really matters in my mind. If the Tornado rocks a 12K Volley on a 40M hull? Game over man.The insurance nerf? Never happened. You guys will be seeing them in your darkest whiny-carebear dreams. Dead Hulks. Outlaws popping these things out of Orcas. Wolfpacks of five of these things instapopping Marauders outside stations just for fun and laughs. Ultra-pimped Active-Tanked PVE Tengu? Two of these kill it dead, instantly, on station exit.

And it gets better. You see that bonus? 5% ROF? That means Overheated 1400MM guns cycle at 13 seconds. That means with GS Concord manipulation, you get TWO SHOTS in 0.5, 0.6 and if you are fast, 0.7 systems. Two dead Hulks, two dead Mackinaws, for only one Tornado.

Step 1. Use a throwaway alt on a throwaway account, GCC someone somewhere 'off grid but in-system', at the gate, at the station, doesn't matter. 0.5, 0.6 or 0.7. Or, simply determine that Concord is already present someplace else in system.
Step 2. Bounce into the belt, instapop the nearest Exhumer.
Step 3. Because of Step 1, Concord takes an extra 6 seconds to arrive - giving you plenty of time for you reload your guns, lock and light up ANOTHER Exhumer.
Step 4. Get Concorded, and bask in the glow as you pick up the pieces of a wrecked mining op, all for only 50M ISK.

As is, the Tornado is solid gold. Only think that would make me happier is replacing the falloff bonus with a 5% damage bonus - and maybe 5% more grid to fit that 4th Gyro without needing a fitting hardwire. Beyond that, I couldn't have designed it better myself.

So, carebears - to the BC Balance thread! Fly!

Its ok, I posted what I thought too. I didn't see your contribution, but I'm sure my input was far more useful than yours.