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Drones are broken. Please fix them

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Ordo Malus
State War Academy
Caldari State
#341 - 2014-01-09 14:15:31 UTC
By this logic, the Japanese should have never lost Iwo Jima to the Marines. Numbers is not a solution against tactics.

Try again.
Corraidhin Farsaidh
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#342 - 2014-01-09 14:18:43 UTC

...snip... no, he doesnt control the drones, its me who sets my drones either to defend or to help the assistee.

For the drones to know what a ship is targeting the pilot of said ship would have to interface with the drones to feed them telemetry so that to me means that:

a) a pilot should not be able to be assisted by drones outside his own drone control range (how would he feed target data?)
b) a pilot should not be able to control in any way more drones than he can interface with (i.e. the sum total of his own + assisting drones)

Corraidhin Farsaidh
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#343 - 2014-01-09 14:22:48 UTC
Ordo Malus wrote:
By this logic, the Japanese should have never lost Iwo Jima to the Marines. Numbers is not a solution against tactics.

Try again.


I was about to make that point re the 300 spartans at thermopylae ( I know they were supported by ~7000 healot slaves but still...).

Given the correct choice of battleground and tactics the criteria that constitutes a superior force will change drastically!

15000 Knights and infantry against 3000 (or whatever it was) archers? Should be a massacre of the archers...but out that in the battlefield of Agincourt....

History is littered with examples of a smaller force crushing a supposedly superior foe.
Ordo Malus
State War Academy
Caldari State
#344 - 2014-01-09 14:35:01 UTC
If we removed drone assign, N3 would still be able to use wrecking ball. The difference is CFC's Dominix hoard would fall on it's sword.

vivat77
Russian SOBR
#345 - 2014-01-09 15:03:26 UTC  |  Edited by: vivat77
Ordo Malus wrote:
If we removed drone assign, N3 would still be able to use wrecking ball. The difference is CFC's Dominix hoard would fall on it's sword.



If carriers start lock me, im start warp out ship + align to sun, and spam need armor/shield with no perfect alpha your slowcats can kill only slow noobs, and subcaps can come to optimal for kill this carriers.

You have two type broadcasts target and armor, do not mix that repair and what to kill.
JIeoH Mocc
brotherhood of desman
#346 - 2014-01-09 15:10:08 UTC  |  Edited by: JIeoH Mocc
In case someone is thick enough to misapprehend the topic of this thread - it's neither about nerfing carriers nor about changing the mechanics of drone assist. It's also NOT about tactics of countering a subcap blob with capital ships as well as it's not about excursions to history of mythological battles fought between the ancient Greeks and the ancient Persians. All of the aforementioned are mesmerizing subjects on their own, and each deserves a separate dedicated topic, in which, upon creation we will gladly discuss the subject proposed, as i hope all will do here.

For this topic, however, It's very simple, really -

Thousands of (abandoned as well as not ) sentry drones create a massive amount of lag, even with practically empty local in a system. We'd request a CCP rep to acknowledge the stated on the forums as well as to address it ingame. Thanks.
Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
#347 - 2014-01-09 15:12:43 UTC
Corraidhin Farsaidh wrote:

...snip... no, he doesnt control the drones, its me who sets my drones either to defend or to help the assistee.

For the drones to know what a ship is targeting the pilot of said ship would have to interface with the drones to feed them telemetry so that to me means that:



still, the assignee isnt controlling drones. Drones watch on their own who he's shooting at and simply shoot the same target.
Corraidhin Farsaidh
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#348 - 2014-01-09 15:42:52 UTC
JIeoH Mocc wrote:
In case someone is thick enough to misapprehend the topic of this thread - it's neither about nerfing carriers nor about changing the mechanics of drone assist. It's also NOT about tactics of countering a subcap blob with capital ships as well as it's not about excursions to history of mythological battles fought between the ancient Greeks and the ancient Persians. All of the aforementioned are mesmerizing subjects on their own, and each deserves a separate dedicated topic, in which, upon creation we will gladly discuss the subject proposed, as i hope all will do here.

For this topic, however, It's very simple, really -

Thousands of (abandoned as well as not ) sentry drones create a massive amount of lag, even with practically empty local in a system. We'd request a CCP rep to acknowledge the stated on the forums as well as to address it ingame. Thanks.


Good point, we've wandered waaaaay off topic :D

How about this:

A pilot can only maintain one flight of abandoned drones close by (e.g. via a simple heartbeat message automatically sent using a tiny bit of spare drone control bandwidth) and one flight of active drones. If the second flight of active drones are abandoned they warp out of grid instead of going dormant locally.

Also abandoned drones cluster together for collection, meaning they are now managed as one item of 5 drones rather than 5 items of 1 drone.

Added bonus: New career path of lost drone farming :D
le Ellecon Ellecon
Fighters for the money
#349 - 2014-01-09 16:48:43 UTC
Robert Caldera wrote:
Ordo Malus wrote:

5) Everyone vs N3 equates to 1300 vs 400-500 on field.


its their main argument for the equation is simple: 1300 dudes should be able to kill 500 and take their space.

Are you slow or what? Problem is you cant win or lose battle against sentry archons no matter how many supers or sabs you have. When server drops to 1% tidi its endless battle for all sides. There is no such precedent in the history of eve whats people talking about here, you dumb damage control is ridiculous.
Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
#350 - 2014-01-09 16:53:00 UTC
le Ellecon Ellecon wrote:

Are you slow or what? Problem is you cant win or lose battle against sentry archons no matter how many supers or sabs you have. When server drops to 1% tidi its endless battle for all sides. There is no such precedent in the history of eve whats people talking about here, you dumb damage control is ridiculous.


are you slow or what? I wrote its their wish not that its currently the case, this is why this whine thread exists in the first line.
Kat Ayclism
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#351 - 2014-01-09 17:26:52 UTC
Rus cannot defeat our superior advanced posting, so must turn to blobbing with pages on pages of monkeys mashing out one line of "+1 nerf centries plz.." Next they shall be crying to CCP to put a much harsher character limit in place and to ban anyone capable of stringing together more than 3 words that haven't just been copied from someone else.

It is a nice mirror of the situation in game.
Seeker's's
Praid-inc
#352 - 2014-01-09 17:45:12 UTC
Kat Ayclism wrote:
Rus cannot defeat our superior advanced posting, so must turn to blobbing with pages on pages of monkeys mashing out one line of "+1 nerf centries plz.." Next they shall be crying to CCP to put a much harsher character limit in place and to ban anyone capable of stringing together more than 3 words that haven't just been copied from someone else.

It is a nice mirror of the situation in game.

Gosh, your coalition are so afraid that CCP just nerfs carriers instead of consistent improvement of game mechanics (and I rly understand your concern) that you prefer to remain blind to a huge problem and to shitpost any topic on this subject.
Deishuu Kaiki Teikitsu
Adversity.
Psychotic Tendencies.
#353 - 2014-01-09 18:07:54 UTC
Seeker's's wrote:
Kat Ayclism wrote:
Rus cannot defeat our superior advanced posting, so must turn to blobbing with pages on pages of monkeys mashing out one line of "+1 nerf centries plz.." Next they shall be crying to CCP to put a much harsher character limit in place and to ban anyone capable of stringing together more than 3 words that haven't just been copied from someone else.

It is a nice mirror of the situation in game.

Gosh, your coalition are so afraid that CCP just nerfs carriers instead of consistent improvement of game mechanics (and I rly understand your concern) that you prefer to remain blind to a huge problem and to shitpost any topic on this subject.

>shitpost any topic on this subject
>This is coming from a guy in the alliance that shitposted over 3 pages for a forum CTA
mfw

- The fake is of far greater value. In its deliberate attempt to be real, it's more real than the real thing.

Ametist01
Space Plague
Dragon Empire.
#354 - 2014-01-09 18:49:56 UTC
Fix drone lag
Kat Ayclism
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#355 - 2014-01-09 19:44:32 UTC
Seeker's's wrote:
Kat Ayclism wrote:
Rus cannot defeat our superior advanced posting, so must turn to blobbing with pages on pages of monkeys mashing out one line of "+1 nerf centries plz.." Next they shall be crying to CCP to put a much harsher character limit in place and to ban anyone capable of stringing together more than 3 words that haven't just been copied from someone else.

It is a nice mirror of the situation in game.

Gosh, your coalition are so afraid that CCP just nerfs carriers instead of consistent improvement of game mechanics (and I rly understand your concern) that you prefer to remain blind to a huge problem and to shitpost any topic on this subject.

Questions:
Who are the bulk of posters in these 17 pages?
Who had a forum KTA?
How consistently are the posts that actually contain any content beyond mindless repasting the same thing exclusively about addressing the lag that you guys say is from drones and not some whinging about the need to nerf the effectiveness of a certain weapon type?
What proof has been provided that it is in fact drones causing this lag and not say... a couple thousand people all being present at the same time? Have you ever been in a system with more than 50 people undocking at once? Ever noticed the huge declines in tidi after 200 people jump out- even though most likely there has been even more sentries out than before?
Ordo Malus
State War Academy
Caldari State
#356 - 2014-01-09 19:50:42 UTC
Seeker's's wrote:
Kat Ayclism wrote:
Rus cannot defeat our superior advanced posting, so must turn to blobbing with pages on pages of monkeys mashing out one line of "+1 nerf centries plz.." Next they shall be crying to CCP to put a much harsher character limit in place and to ban anyone capable of stringing together more than 3 words that haven't just been copied from someone else.

It is a nice mirror of the situation in game.

Gosh, your coalition are so afraid that CCP just nerfs carriers instead of consistent improvement of game mechanics (and I rly understand your concern) that you prefer to remain blind to a huge problem and to shitpost any topic on this subject.



You're an idiot. There is no way to get thru to you and your ass ******* buddies that it takes more than a mob to win. Numbers does not equal victory. Stop crying because archons are so strong with their sentries. There is NOTHING stopping you from dropping as many or more, or how about dreads?

In response to "the server crashes if we jump in more" how about instead of 1300 subcaps on field and then adding 100 more in capitals, you just start off with those 100 capitals and bring in less subcaps? The fact that you drive the server to collapse under stress shows just how much you rely on pure numbers.

Stop being ******* **** at this game and begging CCP to nerf anything you're too pathetic to counter.
HOMAD
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#357 - 2014-01-09 20:47:49 UTC
And where the reaction of developers? Hmm...
JIeoH Mocc
brotherhood of desman
#358 - 2014-01-09 20:50:37 UTC  |  Edited by: JIeoH Mocc
Kat Ayclism wrote:
Seeker's's wrote:
Kat Ayclism wrote:
Rus cannot defeat our superior advanced posting, so must turn to blobbing with pages on pages of monkeys mashing out one line of "+1 nerf centries plz.." Next they shall be crying to CCP to put a much harsher character limit in place and to ban anyone capable of stringing together more than 3 words that haven't just been copied from someone else.

It is a nice mirror of the situation in game.

Gosh, your coalition are so afraid that CCP just nerfs carriers instead of consistent improvement of game mechanics (and I rly understand your concern) that you prefer to remain blind to a huge problem and to shitpost any topic on this subject.

Questions:
Who are the bulk of posters in these 17 pages?
Who had a forum KTA?
How consistently are the posts that actually contain any content beyond mindless repasting the same thing exclusively about addressing the lag that you guys say is from drones and not some whinging about the need to nerf the effectiveness of a certain weapon type?
What proof has been provided that it is in fact drones causing this lag and not say... a couple thousand people all being present at the same time? Have you ever been in a system with more than 50 people undocking at once? Ever noticed the huge declines in tidi after 200 people jump out- even though most likely there has been even more sentries out than before?


For someone boasting with supreme posting abilities, it's really amusing to see how you struggle with your reading.
I'll help you, being in a helpful mood and all.
Nobody claimed that only the drones cause lag. Nobody says that any other issue causing lag shouldn't be addressed, since they do. This thread was opened by stating a certain issue - the lag caused by thousands of sentry drones in grid, even with local counts as low as a couple of hundreds. All the rest of dumb grunts coming here and writing about nerfing this or nerfing that are actually of your mindless sort that can't read nor write while staying on topic, i expect you treat them with understanding due to similarity.

Nobody is obliged by supplying YOU with 'proofs' of any sort, this is not Kugu, you must be mistaken. While the proof for CCP can be supplied from their own GMs coming to clean up the mess you left in-grid, when petitioned, in practically an empty system. I personally remember at least one such occasion, and i am sure there were more, so you can consider the 'material evidence' part covered.
While for the rest of the things you specify, as lags caused by other objects/subjects - they should be addressed and fixed as well, they must. In fact, I demand it! Just start a relevant thread for each, and I'll come chant "GRR Fix Goons!" with you.
Corraidhin Farsaidh
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#359 - 2014-01-09 20:55:16 UTC
Perhaps we should have a new mobile structure that goes in and hoovers up abandoned drones from a grid and brings them back to the deployer :D
Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
#360 - 2014-01-09 21:13:20 UTC
Corraidhin Farsaidh wrote:
Perhaps we should have a new mobile structure that goes in and hoovers up abandoned drones from a grid and brings them back to the deployer :D


sounds amazing, support!