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Drones are broken. Please fix them

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Alexander the Great
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#301 - 2014-01-08 20:30:49 UTC
Sentry carriers are imbalanced and too cost-effective for so many reasons... I don't understand the logic of people who'd like everyone to use them instead of fixing them. But the main problem is every carrier launching up to 10 drones, so when you deploy 200 carriers you effectively launch 2200 separate objects into space. And someone says it doesn't affect server performance, seriously?

TiDi issue has to be addressed asap, but I'd like to see carriers balanced as well. Main characteristics of every combat ship are damage, defense and navigation (how fast can you get into battle). Let's look at them.

Damage
All the ships in EVE apply damage well only to one class below and all classes above (battleships hitting cruisers and above, dreadnoughts hitting battleships and capitals etc), all the ships except carriers.
- sentry drones can hit everything starting from frigates and at a very long range
- sentry drones are assisted, so EWAR doesn't affect them at all, and they have perfect alpha
- sentry drones can be killed (by bombs etc), but this is a drawback only for subcapital ships not carriers which carry thousands of spare drones

Defense
1) Remote repair. I'd say this isn't well balanced throughout entire game, but capital reps on carriers and supercarriers with all the high slots available for utility are most broken. Because of high resists you need much more capitals to break through the tank than there are carriers on the field.
2) Buffer. If it's too hard to break through reps, the most adequate idea is to kill a ship in one shot. But carriers have so much EHP they can tank even a doomsday. Dreadnoughts can do the work but unlike carriers they cannot receive remote assist while dealing damage, which should be true for all the capitals in my opinion.

Navigation
With a chain of cynoes one can move a full fleet of carriers through entire universe in like half an hour.

Price
For all this versatility and ease of usage you pay less than 2 bill for a fitted and loaded carrier. This isn't much for most players in null-sec alliances. And due to high defense and lag they create it's unlikely to see many carriers dead during a small period of time.


Now can somebody explain how do you call this balanced compared to other ships in EVE?
Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
#302 - 2014-01-08 20:34:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Robert Caldera
Alexander the Great wrote:
Sentry carriers are imbalanced and too cost-effective for so many reasons......



deploy a fleet of such "OP" carriers and see what happens, hm?
Skia Aumer
Planetary Harvesting and Processing LLC
#303 - 2014-01-08 20:36:12 UTC
Alexander the Great wrote:
Sentry carriers are imbalanced

So go and create a separate thread about nerfing them. This thread is about lags and fixing thereof.
Nex Killer
Perkone
Caldari State
#304 - 2014-01-08 21:15:03 UTC
Wouldn't something like making abandoned drones self destruct after 5 minutes help with some of the TiDi? From reading all of this thread it seems like some of the TiDi has to do with abandoned drones.
Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
#305 - 2014-01-08 21:17:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Robert Caldera
Nex Killer wrote:
Wouldn't something like making abandoned drones self destruct after 5 minutes help with some of the TiDi? From reading all of this thread it seems like some of the TiDi has to do with abandoned drones.


why destroy something what can be scooped and made to ISK later by people. there are easy billions of easy ISK scattered on grid waiting to be scooped and taken to jita.
uyguhb
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#306 - 2014-01-08 21:20:35 UTC
I wish there was a sentry drone with decent tank and the dps of 5 sentry drones. 125mb bandwidth
Nex Killer
Perkone
Caldari State
#307 - 2014-01-08 21:32:23 UTC
Robert Caldera wrote:
Nex Killer wrote:
Wouldn't something like making abandoned drones self destruct after 5 minutes help with some of the TiDi? From reading all of this thread it seems like some of the TiDi has to do with abandoned drones.


why destroy something what can be scooped and made to ISK later by people. there are billions sitting on grid waiting to be scooped and taken to jita.


True but what about if they would only self destruct if TiDi got to a fixed percent like 50%. Once TiDi was 50% they would start self destructing but any TiDi lower they would stay so scavengers can scoop and sell in Jita later.
Makalu Zarya
Rage and Terror
Against ALL Authorities
#308 - 2014-01-08 21:51:02 UTC
I like how you told all your members to go on the forum and make they sure they like this thread. You made your decision to go to war, don't blame N3 and don't blame PL for it. It was a war that YOU wanted, now you suffer the consequences. Instead of having an actual fight you decide to go and have a forum CTA where all your members like a post...for real? Is this how low you have dropped?

I wish you luck in your forum war. Perhaps your time is better spent finding more blues however.
Jimbo Lannister
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#309 - 2014-01-08 22:21:40 UTC
My favourite game is broken by tremendous lags caused by drones in mass pvp.
Dear CCP, please fix it.
P.S.: Am I the only one around here who can't understand why PL members post about HC vs. N3 war in this thread?
Nastionka
War Tactical Groups
DarkSide.
#310 - 2014-01-09 03:32:56 UTC
Fix sentry drone assist on carriers
and fix drone lags
Makalu Zarya
Rage and Terror
Against ALL Authorities
#311 - 2014-01-09 04:12:05 UTC
Nastionka wrote:
Fix sentry drone assist on carriers
and fix drone lags


yes please just fix carriers...drop assign on 500 domis is working as intended
RD 18
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#312 - 2014-01-09 04:50:33 UTC
CCP, Drones are broken. Please fix them!!!
mulatka WakolAdka
Synergy Cybernetics
#313 - 2014-01-09 05:30:41 UTC
CCP PLS FIX TiDi LAGS !!!!!!!!!!!!
really with TiDi fleet dreads cant kill carrier !!!! lol? coth TiDI give time to make target RR save befor dreads make damage !!!
WTF

really this is tard s1ht
Mystic Rebel
Galaxy in danger proj.
#314 - 2014-01-09 06:15:06 UTC
Makalu Zarya wrote:
I like how you told all your members to go on the forum and make they sure they like this thread. You made your decision to go to war, don't blame N3 and don't blame PL for it. It was a war that YOU wanted, now you suffer the consequences. Instead of having an actual fight you decide to go and have a forum CTA where all your members like a post...for real? Is this how low you have dropped?

I wish you luck in your forum war. Perhaps your time is better spent finding more blues however.

Funny fact: PL drew more attention to this thread than SW/SFBL/CFC players combined together Ugh
Keep it up plz.
JIeoH Mocc
brotherhood of desman
#315 - 2014-01-09 06:28:52 UTC  |  Edited by: JIeoH Mocc
Makalu Zarya wrote:
I like how you told all your members to go on the forum and make they sure they like this thread. You made your decision to go to war, don't blame N3 and don't blame PL for it. It was a war that YOU wanted, now you suffer the consequences. Instead of having an actual fight you decide to go and have a forum CTA where all your members like a post...for real? Is this how low you have dropped?

I wish you luck in your forum war. Perhaps your time is better spent finding more blues however.


And another one bites...

Two questions for you, if you would be so kind.
Do you argue the point that sentry drones, in thousands, create lag?
Don't you want this lag addressed, and the issue fixed?

The flow of disgruntedPL/N3 posters in this thread is amusing, raving about some war or another, as if someone asks to nerf or take away some of their toys, and here you are defending the lag created by drones, as if you're using it to some purpose.
Rimfus
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#316 - 2014-01-09 07:10:13 UTC
Fix drones! plzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
Cossa Aivo
Zhuk inc.
#317 - 2014-01-09 08:53:08 UTC
Fix Drone Lag
Blood Viper Johnson
Gallente Federation
#318 - 2014-01-09 09:24:12 UTC
fix it pls ccp
Loretta Seamus
Solar Dragons
#319 - 2014-01-09 09:29:20 UTC
drones broken. fix drones = fix lags. or give guns and launchers assist too Lol
Zemlyani4ka
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#320 - 2014-01-09 09:38:12 UTC
Fix Drone Lag