Wormholes

out of interest, do you feel there are things to fight over in kspace?
if so, what are they?

The difference in null is the opportunity for expansion of empires. Null is not a great comparison, since it is a different dynamic of gameplay. These objects listed are targets for invasions and empire building. We would need fundamental and core changes to our gameplay to mimic the targets and expansion style of null, which I frankly don't want in wormholes.

I feel we do have conflict drivers, and if we don't like someone, merc out, or just decide to invade, we can invade someone, and they don't fight, they'll lose their home, same as null. In null, the victors either expand or save their home.

In wormhole, rarely do we expand into conquered territory, so the gameplay is a tad one-sided. Adding anything you mentioned though simply adds perks for an expansionist style set of game mechanics.

well sure, i know these are all things kspacers seek to achieve but does anyone really like grinding sov in NS? i dont remember ever hearing from a nullseccer (or otherwise) that they enjoy shooting structures for months at a time to expand their space.
in fact, ive heard the opposite a LOT.
what i hear from kspacers is that they like killing ships, they like disrupting people's plans, they hate group X so the love shooting them ect.
i think you'll find that what nullseccers actually do enjoy is the actual fighting, no matter what the goals are.

in WH space we just cut the BS and just go after the fighting with no need for an arbitrary reason to fight. *shrug* at least that's what I do and I know many who do the same.

in the end, isnt more space in NS is just a means to get more isk so that you can fund PVP?
well, in WH space isk isnt an issue so we dont need to grind other people's crap to get it.

Where to start with this one....

C6 space is only bad because there is so few of them and all you circlejerks do is continually roll into each other and evict the bads. Your damn C6 barren wasteland isn't going to be fixed while you can do C6 insertion so predictably.

As much as I enjoy snarky responses, the whole thing he posted at least raises a valid question. What do we do about large bloated WH alliances

Large wormhole alliances are becoming more problematic because they are becoming more resilient. Used to be a 300+ man alliance would kill itself off in 6 months to a year because of drama, generally breaking up into smaller stable and far more enjoyable to fight against enemies.

As far as killing WH alliances go, there are only 2 fairly reliable things: internal drama, and total eviction. One of these is fairly difficult to do from an external perspective, the other is fairly unappealing unless you really have a bone to pick with someone.
The complete aversion to bringing the ultimate retribution upon a wormhole entity is one of the major factors in the lack of constant conflict that some say is afflicting wormhole space currently.

Really, there would be much less of a stick up as far as "conflict generation" if you could evict someone fairly easily. Hell, every eviction is guaranteed at least two fights. Evictions would be grand fun if you didn't have to consume a cauldron of mud flavored porridge that is the completely unnecessary tens of millons of HP that compromise the standard POS.

What all this incoherent rambling comes back to in the end is: structure grinding sucks, fix it CCP.

I care what jack thinks :<

You were literally on the last roam with us..? If Chitsa's fun roams are killing wormhole space, and you sincerely feel it is detrimental, why the f*** are you joining his roams?



lol, what?

FYI - You say we are evicting people that don't play our way, and you come on the forums to advocate CCP change the game because people aren't playing the game your way. Who is at risk of being more damaging to the community?

I feel that CCP has some great Devs and I think that if they made some of the changes I've seen proposed here, they could improve wormholes; but I'd hope that any changes didn't damage the community, which is a feeling I'd assume you share.

So, I do agree that some changes could improve wormholes, but I don't feel that they are broken overall. The way we play the game, the current mechanics and such work fine for us. Really, I just want Alliance bookmarks something awful :)

Class X Wormhole is / was a great idea... but please keep it to 1 without Moons, so you can play King of the Hill....

"So we'll forfill the contract, Concord gave us, when they sent us out to Wormholes to find and kill Sansha Kuvakei and his operation, so that the Miners in Highsec would be save again and the abductions of people to be geneticly altered stop. What will we find? Did Kuvakei re-awakend the sleepers? Is he controlling them? Or did they integrated him into their collective and use him?"

DEATH TO KUVAKEI 2014

Edit: People may wonder why i always say that Sansha would be the best choice to find "as endgame" mechanic well there is some lore.. but mainly because i believe a fudging Sleeper Mothership/Titan .. would be ... lets say SHITSTORM CHALLENGING!

Grim, I think this thread died because we completed this discussion. How nice of you to share your opinion which likely reiterates someone else's opinion from one of the earlier 5/6 pages.


Nothing important happens in this sub anyhow, so necro away...