Wormholes

Jack actually makes a number of good points. Of course, they mostly agree with me, so I'd think so.

Again, to those trolling, you are missing the point: this letter is offering a valid solution to large corps complaining they can't get fights in wormhole because no one will fight THEM. I even get good PVP in our C4 static, lol, though not as much as I'd like. Part of the Alliance issue to give us manpower to ensure we can... with more safety... life in a C5/C5 and take advantage of the bigger fights while keep our small gang focus. It lets us enjoy it all.

I do think a choice of to change directions will benefit any corp, and if enough do it, it'll benefit all of wormhole space.

lol what argument? He didn't have one.

I looked at his killboard to try and gauge his current pvp experiences to see where he was coming from. All i saw was ganks which is fine but as i've explained to him in the past, not everyone is content with killing ratting drakes and taking part in arranged fights.

I am not sure what all the complaining is about. I've had more fun in eve in the last month or two than I have in a very long time, so I have no idea what the lot of you are crying about. The beauty of this game is it can be whatever you make it to be.

If you don't like being blobbed by 30 T3s with 40 Guardians and caps, then stay out of wh space that has 3bil holes and large groups. Move to c2 space where you get fights on a smaller scale that can be just as fun. Contrary to what a handful of idiots say in deep wh space, low class wormholes are a blast.

Maybe later

Because 9/10 times if we dont gank those risk-averese, fight-avoiding, pos-spinning carebears right away, we will not get any fight out of them anyway, even if they outnumber and outgun us. Some players are in WHs simply to make isk and minimize risk as much as possible and will not leave their POS even if you charge at them in pods with self-destruct ticking down. The option of doing "5v5 BCs at the sun" is always open and I always offer it to those who allegedly "fight, but not against the blob". Still, majority refuses - hats off and thank you to those who dont.

The problem here is not ganking, but human nature and perception. Simply even when we engage someone "fair", they are not willing to risk that we might have reinforcements hidden somewhere, because their perception is that we always do. The myth of bringing 20 T3s to kill a drake 24/7 is strong. I could link here dozens of lost wormholes fights and it would still not change anything.

I'm totally with Rall on this one.

I for one, thinks that ganks are pretty boring, if not the intention is to escalate it to a bigger fight. Also I see several big groups in w-space always respond with the same stuff: t3 blob with way too much logistics. With a t3/logi setup you kind of need somewhat equal numbers to have a good fight, else it will be very one sided.

So many times I have seen entites rolled in with 25+ dudes in their fleets when we had just a handful. They scream in local and pretty much people to suicide into them. F U CK THAT!

In TRECI we stopped having the T3s as the only alternative years back and I think that have done a lot of good things. Not saying the t3s doesn't have a role, it's just so pilot number focused.
And why on earth bring a machine gun to a fist fight?

If there's a small gang with HACs next wormhole, its just such a chicken attitude to role in with 4 guardians and 15+ t3s.
I fight to get a thrill, a real fight that I don't know the outcome of, not just sit still at wormhole and F1 ****.

But on the other hand, every time groups respond with other doctrines or ships than the usual brick t3 it becomes really fun and dynamic. You can easily go and fight 4-5 times your numbers.

Sorry Rall, I don't agree with you on this one.

Having joined Sky Fighters when it was a humble 30 man corp in Talocan United (2 years or so ago) and helping us get to where we are now I can see both sides of the coin.

WH space will not change, and neither will human nature of generally wanting the odds in their favor before they engage or commit to fights.

The mega alliances/corps & blue doughnuts form because people don't want to lose their fortresses when they get invaded.

At the end of the day I'm not going to tell guys in my fleet to stay at home and that they can't get in on the action as that would be counterproductive to our activity. (and encourage them to be off playing other games) Unless of course people want to arrange something (which we have done in the past with alot of groups and we have always upheld our side of the bargain)

To the smaller corps, I really do encourage you to grow, make contacts with some other groups and get involved. It will help you in the long run provide content for your members and help drive your recruitment with your members telling others what fun they're having.

Regards.

Sith

IMO that's part of the problem, making it an arms race to get the highset numbers of pilots to be able to pvp, much like nullsec alliances (which is not what we want, is it?).

Instead of seeing whats appropiate force to get fun fights.

If we roll in with 20 men t3s/devoter/guardian to a small corpn we KNOW a fight is not going to happend. And even if we would get a fight by tricking them by hiding our numbers, it'll just be an unintersting, one sided fight for us and for them.

Spot on! Either grow to compete or more to a region that has a weaker opponent.

Play it safe or DIAF (so i found someone that can actually break the 6000 Characater limit)

Wormhole Space has a PEAK .. many people have realized that, some people like flying underneath the peak and enjoy that feeling the problem with that is growth, one day you will find your ass on top of the foodchain looking down and be like.
Where da fudge cake did everybody go.

I do sympethize with the people that say, "People who want more will eventually fall out", its the same phrase i use in my profession "people that are old will eventually die and make space for new people to claim deadpeoples homes", so in that sense you have a really good circle of life... (just for you: NAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMANANANAANAIIIIIIIAAAA BlABBISSSIAAHAHAHAA [Lion King])

The problem is this "circle" is pretty nasty, RCC will hit it, SF will hit it, once the germans are going mad they will hit it (in my mind they are currently the closest), BU already excelled and broke the game, SUSU is different but thats another story, they are not different in a sense that they will peak ... but they got one british guy.. he is just the core philosophy of Wormhole Space. (btw: that is "**** it, let's see how many we can take with us". i miss the crazy prostitute killing truckdriver... aaaanyway... back to topic where was I?

Oh right, once you hit the peak you are alone, all your friends gone ventured off, or are dormant waiting, becoming one with the cancer of all corps ... THE PINGWARRIORS!.. so what do you do when you hit the top.. what do you do when everybody points the finger at you and say you are evil blobbers... do you care? no? you just get annoyed and grumpy .. and think "way to ruin a good run."

The current problem as many have pointed out ... is that BLOBBING is unfair, vs... "YOU KNOW HOW MUCH **** WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH TO BLOBB YOU" (this would be crashing countless wormholes and scanning for 3 hours straight to kill a brick tanked chimera... YIHAAAAW). In an earlier post i denounced the THEORY that wormhole space is working as intended... or that it "hasn't" changed... WHICH is absolutly and complete bullshit, the sad double realization adding to that is that we find us not being part of that development to break free of this cycle. I was and still am convinced that the changes that did happen had a ... 51% positive impact onto wormholes ... i do however believe those arent the changes we asked for to make it better out here.
There are countless Issues that needs addressing but the most frustrating one ... and this is where the meta leaves the cheese is the ******* fact, that WE CANT RECRUIT like normal people...every change, every addon, skill requirements get easier.. **** it i just saw a BNI (guy some weeks old) trying out Radar sites... (go to reddit) pre-oddysee that wouldn't have happened, but we still are forced to go through DNA and Bloodtesting to get new people into wormholes.... its almost shizophrenic and once we do accept them, we give them the quality of gameplay of a bread on stick in a fire....

It is tiring to see that the blobb is getting dragged infront of people to be the "dominating" force of interaction in wormholes, because it's not. I derped around before i joined TRI, trying to change perspective, I joined SUSU and Blojo at the same time, because i was curious, what was it what AHARM found when they moved to C5>C2 Space, i remember R2 (SSC 2nd Home) ... it was great but only with a melancolic view, actually living in there? **** we were scrublords .. with 10 Tengus doing c3 sites .. hahaha the good days... anyway when i was with SUSU/BLOJO i had alot of engagements with people ... being the only guy in the EU TZ of US TZs Corps made it kinda obvious but i met alot of people ...

Forexample
I was charging up my Dread infront of the FF... semi-alone some guys just logged in but they just returned home, so i get a convo.
"ITS YOU?"
"ME? Oh **** dont mind the dread"(as i park it back)...
"Well we are gonne go roaming, wanna join?" Mafia-Redux

I accepted and damn that was a blast, okay i must admit ... i kinda have a unique stance, where people "recognize me" dont know why.. i get told i m funny... but for me .. i know i m outgoing.. i engage people with words and weapons and i stick by that. I bet if people would take that as a guideline for diplomatic actions tinfoil wouldnt be an issue, because we are all just looking for a fight. I miss the times were most agreed on "dont kill pvp" just take out the "forcefield huggers" but that time has passed. Sorry but the FF Huggers can just go suck it... you dont want to play fine dont play but dont expect us to come to your aid when the Blood Union is knocking... SSC although known for its Blobbs is also known to be one of the White Knights....

If you want to be "in a healthy" relation with the wormhole community ENGAGE IN IT! Be polarizing. Have teeth. STAND your ground. Take Borthole, a year ago NULLSEC entities esspecially of large Alliances were hated... litterally ... they werent worth talking to ... at least most people treated them that way... borthole said well **** you GUYS we are gonna welp **** and they did engage ....

Wormholes or better said...
At the core of Wormholes you find the fight, you find the thing you actually want, you want to excell and get challenged, it goes to a point where you even wish your enemies well and hope they will come back. Forever rest in peace my loveshack.
Wormhole space has been evolving since its inception and at the core of that development wasnt the killing of sleepers, it was RnK dropping in a fleet and being all mean, AHARM showing off their fleet and cockblocking you and then you realized if i want to farm, i have to fight for it ... because otherwise they wont leave, or worse siege me out.

And just to be fair... Rek Seven is not a dirty blobber http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=20254599 FOR HONOR AT THE SUN. ALWAYS!