Wormholes

However, we have to find a way to break this vicious cycle, or we will continually repeat the same rise and fall of vast empires, the making and breaking of allegiances, friendships, and blue statuses, until all of us are so burned out that we either quit EVE or just go to null to get epic fights of f1’ing to destroy structures. However, whatever happens, we won’t end up with wormhole space, not as we truly love it, not as the joy it brings when you were small, that time you fought 5 guys on 5 guys, and the skill of pilots alone (not how many you could blob with) caused you to prevail or lose….

I do have a suggestion, and some of you may or may not like it, but it’s simple: STAHP! Just STAHP!—And I do not mean stop gaining players. Stop blobbing. Just stop it!

At End-of-Line, we have blobbed before. It’s a dirty fact and it���s true. We simply have—everyone has. Most often, though, since we are newer, we have been blobbed, and the memories of both experiences are fresh on my mind. However, what we are tossing around doing is using measured force in engagements. IE, we don’t pull out the nuke every time we find an ant hill. We use ant-spray. We are looking into the appropriate use of force, even if it’s means asking some people to sit out and just be on stand-by. I’ll also state we haven’t even figured out the particulars, but I think this idea can benefit the community.

I will state, that for this to work, we must develop trust as a community—trust that your neighbors will engage as best they are able, and trust that you will not, if vastly superior, use your full strength to always beat them into submission. This might be called “arranging fights” by some, but I’m not talking about that in particular. I’m talking about using measured force against your opponent—something commonly talked about in the martial arts. Controlling your strength; having discipline; showing restraint.

Honestly, if you are bringing down a carrier, you will likely use 20-30 t3s including neut legions. I’m not saying don’t kill things or try to solo a carrier in a proteus. I’m saying, if you have 30 people already, do you really need to batphone MOAR to kill 1 carrier? Kill its drones and suck it dry. You don’t need help.

And honestly, the occasional blob fest, like recreational drug use, will not kill you, cause brain damage, or ruin you (most likely). However, what we are doing—the cycle of alliances being born, growing so big they can’t sustain themselves in either ISK or PVP, and then failscading—ultimately benefits no one, because it breaks up the familial bonds of corps and jeopardizes a healthy attitude in the great friendly aggression pact that exists out here. The problem isn’t even being big; it’s being mindless brutes.

As a community, we’ve tried to solve this by burning out “carebears” in the past if they didn’t “give us fights”—the situation isn’t improving. KILL and other entities have been doing this for a while, ‘fight us, pay us, or die.’ WE JUST DID IT, to be honest, and it was too much work for little gain, in my opinion. We burned everything down because they wouldn’t fight one loki camping them after 3 days or pay a ransom—we even left bug zappers and have scored several kills since leaving, including a 1.4 billion isk orca just this morning… Plowing salt into the soil is an appropriate analogy for what End-of-Line did to make an example of those care bears that didn’t’ fight us—and while it did provide small profit and good kills on our board, I can’t say that it was truly space honorable… There’s no honor in gutting and beheading an inferior opponent as he asks for mercy (note: they weren’t defenseless… they could have fought us quite well had they deployed their chimera… but they didn’t, and we decided to enforce our interpretation of Bob’s will). I don’t think we’ll do that again.

We’ll never get rid of all the bear corps/non-pvpers, even if all the PVP entities got together and went on a “jihad to purge all carebears.” However, if you get the reputation of using measured force, if you are willing to possibly loose a few ships in the process and risk not being known as “zomg L337 PVPerz,” then I think it’s perfectly possibly to be a large, strong, secure entity in wormhole space that enjoys the 20-30 man t3 ball brawls as well as someone who can still get small fights.

One thing we are doing is not all staying home. We hunt solo. We hunt in small groups. We hunt in large groups. We also take kills, even if it does mean blobbing, though we are working on ways to use measured force. That discipline will take time, but as End-of-Line grows and ultimately enters into an alliance with someone, I hope that we can be a large family who spends a lot of time on the road, scouting, killing, and hunting, but returns home regularly so we can do a wide variety of wormhole space PVP.

This is where it begins, however. The change begins with an idea that we, as a community and culture, adopt. We can continue to be what we are, or we can expand our already robust culture of gudfights, space honor, and PVP just because we’re rich and can afford it to include a code, formal or informal, of honorable PVP. We can adopt a code similar to bushido and being honorable warriors; we can choose to use measured restraint—enough to make victory likely, but not negate the possibility of losing. We can ensure that FUN PVP is prevalent and abundant, and create a code where not fighting is so dishonorable no one does it, and that blobbing is so dishonorable that no one does it—and those that do will be subjected to the wrath of Bob through ALL people combined…

I have spoken long. I hope my fellow wormholers will digest this with thought and not rage. I know I am the superior of very few if any on this forum in battle, but I am dedicated to seeing wormhole space remain something beautiful and violent as well as something fun.

Come have tea with Whalegirth.

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If you want?

So, what you're saying is, in the end, only those that can counter blob will flourish?

I think the whole point of this was to say, maybe the big guys would get more fights if they stopped dropping MOABs on things a hand grenade would handle just fine. If you stop leveling the neighborhood, maybe your neighbors would be open to fighting more often...

Apart from being heathens, you sound like people we'd bro up with sometime.

I totally make bad Eve Videos also.

lies.

Wholeheartedly agree.

We stood up a 10 man armour gang, relatively shiny for us, against one of the larger entities after catching and blapping one of their proteus. They made us sit and wait 20 odd minutes to watch people slowly log in and fashion paraded til their fleet outnumbered us by a margin they felt comfortable with.

Fought them anyway, lost almost everything, don't fight them anymore. Quid pro quo.

Keep it brief he says. Sorry i stopped reading after i scrolled down and saw all that sperging with no paragraph structure.

Why do we have to have these threads every two bloody days that amount to nothing other then a WH'er mad about the way things are and their brilliant solutions that CCP will never implement?

I am jealous that we didn't go a different path and stay your size. You are one of my favorite corps I've ever rolled across. I'd down ship any time I catch you guys and give an even fight or fight you with us being the outnumbered one. You guys have immense respect from me, because I've seen how you handle yourselves--and I think you know how we do things, at least when I'm FCing.