Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Baby steps...simplicity first.
But yeah, the possibilities based on the base concept are quite a few.

Frankly, I always thought that asteroid belts should generate a ton of interference.
They mess up our physical movement now.
Messing up our electronics would be a natural extension.

Yes, I have faith in devs too.
After all they answered to "do something for null to make our lives better" with ESS.

Your cloud concept is cool but I don't believe we will ever see anything even close to what you started and others expanded upon. And sad fact is that main problem standing in a way is far away from actual implementation and technical details.

In general I am changing my stance to "yeah well whatever" regarding anything CCP promises to do or teases us about with bits and trolls and stuff that is not on TQ. As long as I can continue to murder newbies using my advantage of skills, wallet and experience I don't really care about how miserable other gameplay areas are.

Bump for greatness, great justice and a lot of other great things!

I think this is where the 'multiple entrances/exits', if not possibly unlimited would come into play. These DDC's could almost be seen as giant mazes with potential entrances bringint you to a dead end, or a trap. There may be a dozen safe entrances in one DDC and only 2 in another. It needs to be possible to completely randomize these sites while being able to reproduce them in such a way that isn't terribly hard to code (sounds contradicting).

As far as local goes, I think it could work in the same manner that cloaking has been suggested in these areas with the overview flickering to make you aware of a presence, or that the flickering of a player in local over a period of time could be a sign that they are actively in a DDC at the moment. Or simply just remove the player from local as if they exited the system. You wouldn't know unless you visually watched them enter the DDC.



I don't think it should necessarily be limited, but restricted based on the strenght of the force within the DDC. Have it vary wildly so ships of all sizes could join in OR potentially make a ships size a contributing factor to finding your way through a DDC. If the gravitational force exerted wasn't harmful to ship of a certain mass(cruiser), but maybe to a BC that weighed sufficiently more and it started to take damage, you would know you were off the path or going the wrong way.



I don't think a mass limit would be the solution, but more like a weight scale. The more mass that enters a region of the DDC, the larger the side effects on the ships. Maybe the gravitational force becomes too excessive and causes damage to larger ships until the mass limit is reduced or even have it reduce permanently as a result of poor decision making on the players part. Now the mass limit has excluded carriers and larger from entering due to instability. You could have other effects outside of mass/gravity as well such as increased electronic interference, NPC rats spawn as a spring trap, electromagnetic storms, etc.

As far as the other concerns brought up...

- warping, MJD/MMJD
I agree that warping shouldn't be plausible. I also don't feel pods should have the ability to warp out for any particular reason. You enter this area of space knowing full well what the consequences can be. I think that M/MJD's can be used effectively without presenting an 'OP' factor for bigger ships that would normally be slow-boating it. Maybe the M/MJD has interference caused by the intensity level of certain DDC's? Maybe its calibration gets thrown off and you only warp 30km instead of 100km? Maybe your ships warp core isn't as stable as you thought and you need extra WC stabs in the lows to compensate for effective use of a M/MJD? (would give another reason for stabs to exist). Or the delay to reactivate it increased significantly to limit the pace at which a large ship can traverse a DDC.

These are just some ideas and would help to negate the other complaint of the initial size of these DDC's. The bigger the better, IMO. Don't make these small.

- gate camping entrances
I did address this briefly earlier up in my post with multiple entrances or a lack thereof of actual entrances/exits and rather having safe zones to enter. So that scouts truly need to navigate safe zones for other ships. This way the increased size of said DDC can negate 'campers' from having an effective means to stop players from entering through the only way when they themself do not know how many entrances there are.

(haven't fully read through, will later. Absolutely love this discussion.)

+1 awesome idea!

An idea for the goodies to be found inside: abbandoned ships!

Make it so any single ship in the game can be found, including caps, supercaps, titans, hell why not super rare tourney ships, too? Naturally, the more precious, the less likely they'll spawn. CCP could even add a new ship or two that could only be found here.

Why ships? Because 'somebody' got lost in the nebula and never got out alive! And all that remains is the cool ship he/she was flying...

Also: EVE players love spaceships. Spaceships are the ultimate reward. Any other reward is just something to convert to ISK to get... spaceships!

Also, make it so the only way to claim these ships is ejecting from your own ship and boarding it in space! Lucky sub-cap pilot finds an Aeon? Good, now he needs to find someone capable of flying and Aeon and figure out how to get something out of this without getting scammed...

Finally, ejecting from your ship means that someone else that comes along and missed the 'shiny' can get your ship as a consolation prize (if its worth it)!

Just imagine these sites littered with abbandoned ships, both game-spawned and player owned... So cool!

(also, it would be nice if unmanned ships were invulnerable in the nebula, even though i can imagine this could be exploited...)

Some variant of THE CLOUD could have visible timer counting down from some time (10 min / 1 hour / 2 days / whatever) to 0. When it hits 0 your ship and pod explodes. It resets every time you leave THE CLOUD and starts again when you come back.

Few guys in ceptors go in one at the time leaving trail of MMJDs or cans as a way points for following ships and if/when one of them finds something rest of fleet (players/alts/whatever) is jumping in and do whatever is needed.

So no hiding there forever, you gotta move, grab what you can be that site, rats, wrecks or players and GTFO.

But I still don't believe it will ever happen...

So how come there is no response on this awesome idea yet? The least CCP could do is give a response (really, this thread deserves a response more than most threads CCP give a response to), even if they think the idea does not fit with their long term plan.

Finally had time to read the whole thread and what can I say? I wholeheartedly agree that this needs to be implemented post haste.

Eve currently is quite predictable, PvE content much more so. This feature would make space what it should be, vast and unknown. Unknown is what makes people think and put the available tools to new ingenious uses. Some of the stuff that people have come up with here is just pure awesome.

Can't wait to plunge in to one of these Dinsdale Clouds.

+1

im not sure from a physics point of view why these would disappear and reappear somewhere else randomly ...

static nebula clouds would make more sense.. people could even live in there ... maybe massive permanent gas clouds would be the main pve.. perhaps some sleepers hibernating in there could be disturbed .. only ships moving appear on overview..
perhaps nebula samples could have some value if given to NPC stations ..

Don't forget the Auto-Targeting varieties of missiles, to go along with the fixed fire turret scheme...

It would certainly create an unusual dynamic, with ships aiming themselves at each other directly in order to crudely target...