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Ship for my support alt

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Asuka Kishi
Perkone
Caldari State
#1 - 2014-01-07 09:10:45 UTC
Hi, on my main I am currently running l3 missions in a Drake and training towards raven->RNI for l4. I also have an alt flying a noctis and sweeping the wrecks i leave behind, but i realized that most of the time I just deploy MTU with him and afk salvage with drones.

What ship(s) and fit would you recommend if i wanted to switch from the noctis to something tanky enough to be in the pocket with the drake pilot and support him somehow and salvage with drones at the same time? It still has to have sufficient cargo hold for the loot and salvage. The noctis pilot is slowly training Scimitar for incursions and can fly only Minnie ships so far. Maybe fit some remote shield boosters and couple tractors? Thanks! Blink
Hagraven Marecek
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2014-01-07 10:54:31 UTC
The answer is obvious-Dominix. Warp in, deploy sentries and MTU, and leave it alone-it will do the job while you can pay attention to your main char
Asuka Kishi
Perkone
Caldari State
#3 - 2014-01-07 11:32:25 UTC
I'd prefer to fly something smaller than a battleship, also I don't need it to do dmg, only to deploy salvage drones and possibly support the main somehow and not get blown up at the same time.
Treborr MintingtonJr
S.N.O.T
S.N.O.T.
#4 - 2014-01-07 11:43:41 UTC
Im not an expert on salvaging, but when I was rocking with the Raven I used a Scythe to rep my shields so I could do harder missions/anoms if this helps?

Nower days I fly the mightly Dominix in anoms/escalations (bearing this is in nullsec) and use a Scimitar to rep the sentry drones when they get severe aggro from the rats so i dont have to keep swapping them.

With regards to using salvaging drones while in the same pocket as the drake, i would expect them to get aggro from rats but i would test that first, drones are easy to replace.

The logic of what Hagraven Marecek said goes along the lines of: "Two Domis are better than one".

Hope this helps.
Omega Sunset
Black.Omega
#5 - 2014-01-07 11:55:18 UTC
Asuka Kishi wrote:
I'd prefer to fly something smaller than a battleship, also I don't need it to do dmg, only to deploy salvage drones and possibly support the main somehow and not get blown up at the same time.

On lvl4's a second ship warping in will aggro the whole pocket on some missions. Not a big deal for a skilled tanky CNR, but a low SP raven may have problems. Considering it can take a minute or two to take down a BS rat with a raven or CNR (more tanky), I'd choose a blackbird or rook, myself. Jam and take out elite frigs, while cycling targets on the CNR every couple minutes. Jamming also useful against mission pirates.

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Asuka Kishi
Perkone
Caldari State
#6 - 2014-01-07 11:55:39 UTC
I've never got aggro on salvage drones so far but the enemies often switch aggro to the noctis even if i warp in after the Drake aggroes everything. The noctis then loses shield and armor very quickly, so I was hoping for something more durable that can also carry loot from at least 2 rooms and a MTU.
Omega Sunset
Black.Omega
#7 - 2014-01-07 12:06:53 UTC
Drone aggro is a common problem on lvl4. Not to mention the jammers, damps, scrambles and webs, often elites. Then mission pirates hehe, but can be avoided mostly.

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Treborr MintingtonJr
S.N.O.T
S.N.O.T.
#8 - 2014-01-07 12:46:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Treborr MintingtonJr
Omega Sunset wrote:
Drone aggro is a common problem on lvl4. Not to mention the jammers, damps, scrambles and webs, often elites. Then mission pirates hehe, but can be avoided mostly.

A Domi with a Micro Jump Drive solves all of these problems Cool Being able to insta pop the pesky frigates saves so much time during PVE.

A Scimitar can tank well as long as you keep it moving.

Edit: Scimitar cargo capacity 440 m³
Tauranon
Weeesearch
CAStabouts
#9 - 2014-01-07 12:56:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Tauranon
Asuka Kishi wrote:
I'd prefer to fly something smaller than a battleship, also I don't need it to do dmg, only to deploy salvage drones and possibly support the main somehow and not get blown up at the same time.


Fly a smaller dominix - aka myrmidon or prophecy.

Both of them have very robust tanks. Both of them can assign you drones, and both of them have bonused lights if you need to get unscrammed in a hurry (and probably won't lose their lights to drone agro if you do that, because both of them have bonus drone hitpoints too).
Asuka Kishi
Perkone
Caldari State
#10 - 2014-01-07 12:56:26 UTC
Treborr MintingtonJr wrote:
Omega Sunset wrote:
Drone aggro is a common problem on lvl4. Not to mention the jammers, damps, scrambles and webs, often elites. Then mission pirates hehe, but can be avoided mostly.

A Domi with a Micro Jump Drive solves all of these problems Cool Being able to insta pop the pesky frigates saves so much time during PVE.

A Scimitar can tank well as long as you keep it moving.

Edit: Scimitar cargo capacity 440 m³


before i can fly scimi, do you think Scythe would do in L3s and easier L4s? If i fit 2-3 cargo expanders and put the rest into tankiness
Treborr MintingtonJr
S.N.O.T
S.N.O.T.
#11 - 2014-01-07 13:03:02 UTC
A Scythe is a good ship, I wouldn't put too many cargo expanders on it as that affects its velocity. Cap modules are also an important factor if you want to take advantage of its Shield repping abilities.

I also like what Tauranon has said however their cargo capacities are smaller.
Bobinu
Unsober
Last Picks
#12 - 2014-01-07 13:09:56 UTC
Hagraven Marecek wrote:
The answer is obvious-Dominix. Warp in, deploy sentries and MTU, and leave it alone-it will do the job while you can pay attention to your main char


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Asuka Kishi
Perkone
Caldari State
#13 - 2014-01-07 13:39:02 UTC
Dominix might be good but its too big for me and also super ugly. I checked the Prophecy and I like both the looks and the armor HP. I want to put at least 1 t2 tractor, 1 salvager, 3 cargo expanders on it. What do you think I should stick in the remaining slots to make it durable and a bit more useful if possible, but keeping it semi-afk?
Treborr MintingtonJr
S.N.O.T
S.N.O.T.
#14 - 2014-01-07 13:50:12 UTC
Im not an expert on the Prophecy but it would need to be armour tanked so depending on which missions you are doing put damage specific hardeners on it, maybe a damage control, armour rep in the lows and then fill the mid with cap modules and a prop mod. Thats if you want it to survive the mission.

The dominix maybe a space potato but its might is truely awesome :-P
Noxisia Arkana
Deadspace Knights
#15 - 2014-01-07 13:56:35 UTC

On Salvage Drone Aggro - It can happen. It's rare that they will be targeted and blown up by NPC ships - but I've lost 3-4 of them in the last month from just not paying attention to them.
Jeanne-Luise Argenau
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#16 - 2014-01-07 13:57:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Jeanne-Luise Argenau
hmm my choice would be a nighthawk or the vulture, probably more the nighthawk with 3 commandlinks and rest a proper fit. Because the new ai can decide to attack your logis.

Noxisia Arkana wrote:

On Salvage Drone Aggro - It can happen. It's rare that they will be targeted and blown up by NPC ships - but I've lost 3-4 of them in the last month from just not paying attention to them.


i dont use drones anymore atleast the moving ones because they get attacked to often.
Estella Osoka
Cranky Bitches Who PMS
#17 - 2014-01-07 16:04:11 UTC
Omega Sunset wrote:
Asuka Kishi wrote:
I'd prefer to fly something smaller than a battleship, also I don't need it to do dmg, only to deploy salvage drones and possibly support the main somehow and not get blown up at the same time.

On lvl4's a second ship warping in will aggro the whole pocket on some missions. Not a big deal for a skilled tanky CNR, but a low SP raven may have problems. Considering it can take a minute or two to take down a BS rat with a raven or CNR (more tanky), I'd choose a blackbird or rook, myself. Jam and take out elite frigs, while cycling targets on the CNR every couple minutes. Jamming also useful against mission pirates.


Do not use a Blackbird or Rook. Once you use the jams all npc rats will instantly aggro you. Using any Electronic wafare mod is the quickest way to get full aggro.
Shiloh Templeton
Cheyenne HET Co
#18 - 2014-01-07 16:09:13 UTC
Would an orca work in the role you're looking for? Bonused tractor, tons of EHP, drone capacity & can give fleet bonuses. Not very sexy, but can also serve as mid-size hauler & you could learn some leadership skills.
Omega Sunset
Black.Omega
#19 - 2014-01-07 22:41:14 UTC
Estella Osoka wrote:


Do not use a Blackbird or Rook. Once you use the jams all npc rats will instantly aggro you. Using any Electronic wafare mod is the quickest way to get full aggro.
Well you are going to get it anyway with two players as I mentioned, at least on some missions. Even using drones can do it. Main thing though is just taking out the frigs and cruisers with missiles (or whatever ordinance), not everything needs to be jammed on warp-in, but handy when you need it. BS can get very boring, just sitting and counting it shoot off volleys, not a bad thing to be busy with a faster smaller ship. Not as effective as two BS's though. My personal choice would be CNR and a Scorp with mjd, though I know that there are more purely efficient ways to do missions. Fun factor = AF or Navy frig orbiting a BS. Vulture wouldn't be a bad choice either.

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Ginger Barbarella
#20 - 2014-01-07 23:55:32 UTC
Why not just replaced the drones with Salvage Drones, and drop the MTU from your cargohold when you enter a room? You're doing L3's so you really don't need those lights... (No, I don't remember what size cargohold the Drake has)

"Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." --- Sorlac

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