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KnowUsByTheDead
Sunlight...Through The Blight.
#141 - 2014-01-06 21:27:15 UTC
Kimmi Chan wrote:


I seems my angst towards you was misplaced. I am very sorry and ashamed for having berated you a bit there and beg your forgiveness.


That truly touches my heart Kimmi, thank you.

Now could you please, for the love of all that is whatever, tell me...

What does purple taste like?

Once you realize what a joke everything is, being the comedian is the only thing that makes sense.
Kimmi Chan
Tastes Like Purple
#142 - 2014-01-06 21:28:47 UTC
KnowUsByTheDead wrote:
Kimmi Chan wrote:


I seems my angst towards you was misplaced. I am very sorry and ashamed for having berated you a bit there and beg your forgiveness.


That truly touches my heart Kimmi, thank you.

Now could you please, for the love of all that is whatever, tell me...

What does purple taste like?


Chicken.

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Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#143 - 2014-01-06 21:30:32 UTC
Lady Areola Fappington wrote:
KnowUsByTheDead wrote:

Indeed. And by that, Lady Fappington is referring to banging a girlfriend, or a mom.

Just saying.

Shocked



Exactly correct, good sir. Sure, they'd use EVE to get to know you, but an in-game action would be waaaay to piddly to generate the thrills they seek.

Much, much more likely that the ASPD person would be the biggest defender of (your chosen playstyle) as they worm their way into your personal life via EVE, only to wreck RL relationships/ruin jobs/cause evictions.
It's just the FOTM insult. Like any other it doesn't represent the behaviour of the associated group, only a generalisation recognisable by the masses. No need to really go too deep into that.

Kimmi Chan wrote:
I seems my angst towards you was misplaced. I am very sorry and ashamed for having berated you a bit there and beg your forgiveness.
No problems :p

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KnowUsByTheDead
Sunlight...Through The Blight.
#144 - 2014-01-06 21:33:42 UTC
Kimmi Chan wrote:
KnowUsByTheDead wrote:
Kimmi Chan wrote:


I seems my angst towards you was misplaced. I am very sorry and ashamed for having berated you a bit there and beg your forgiveness.


That truly touches my heart Kimmi, thank you.

Now could you please, for the love of all that is whatever, tell me...

What does purple taste like?


Chicken.


NO WAY!!!

Once you realize what a joke everything is, being the comedian is the only thing that makes sense.
buyer Bedala
Doomheim
#145 - 2014-01-06 21:39:24 UTC
Nerf Burger wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Lucas Kell wrote:
Honestly, how can you expect people to move on if null sec players scam them, low sec players shoot them, and high sec players grief extort them?
By doing what the scammers, gankers, and extortionists do: find safety in numbers.


yes, because what is supposed to be a sandbox game should force you to seek safety in numbers to do anything.Roll

or devs could do something that actually benefits the game and keep douche bag activity in low and null where it belongs. carebears are the lifeblood of EVE and the cancer is the tards who somehow think grief monkeys should have what are essentially risk free activities.

The low costs and risks associated with being a high sec "pirate" are the lamest and most imbalanced thing about this game by far. It just sucks that so many total losers who gravitate to this kind of activity get off so easy. That is the kind of bullshit that makes people want to quit this game. Not that its harsh (that is the idiots arguing), but that sociopaths are so easily rewarded and never pay any meaningful costs. It is a disgusting imbalance.


Its no cheaper or easier than mining or mission running in a decently fit ship. A miner with a few tank mods who is at his keyboard will over double his EHP.
Jill Chastot
WE FORM BL0B Inc.
Goonswarm Federation
#146 - 2014-01-06 21:41:37 UTC
Rick II Egnald wrote:
I just started playing again after a 5 year break,,, I finally got myself up to a hulk to mine, and I only mine in .9 for now until I can train drones up enough to get some hobs for protection.


Anyways, I encountered this for the first time today....... some doorknob evidently finds great delight in ramming mining ships to keep knocking you out of mining distance...... this guy followed me around for an hour doing this and demandng a 10,000,000 ransom to stop.... you can't attack them in .9


Is this normal now?



1) Yes
2) Why are you mining?
3) Why not move to a different system
4) If he follows you report him for harrasment.


You're welcome

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KnowUsByTheDead
Sunlight...Through The Blight.
#147 - 2014-01-06 21:43:41 UTC
buyer Bedala wrote:
Nerf Burger wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Lucas Kell wrote:
Honestly, how can you expect people to move on if null sec players scam them, low sec players shoot them, and high sec players grief extort them?
By doing what the scammers, gankers, and extortionists do: find safety in numbers.


yes, because what is supposed to be a sandbox game should force you to seek safety in numbers to do anything.Roll

or devs could do something that actually benefits the game and keep douche bag activity in low and null where it belongs. carebears are the lifeblood of EVE and the cancer is the tards who somehow think grief monkeys should have what are essentially risk free activities.

The low costs and risks associated with being a high sec "pirate" are the lamest and most imbalanced thing about this game by far. It just sucks that so many total losers who gravitate to this kind of activity get off so easy. That is the kind of bullshit that makes people want to quit this game. Not that its harsh (that is the idiots arguing), but that sociopaths are so easily rewarded and never pay any meaningful costs. It is a disgusting imbalance.


Its no cheaper or easier than mining or mission running in a decently fit ship. A miner with a few tank mods who is at his keyboard will over double his EHP.


Can confirm.

Used to carebear. Used to roll in the PLEX.

Now I pirate. Not sure if I will be playing in a couple weeks.

Once you realize what a joke everything is, being the comedian is the only thing that makes sense.
Kimmi Chan
Tastes Like Purple
#148 - 2014-01-06 21:49:38 UTC
Lucas Kell wrote:
You can call it what you want. Honestly, with how easy it is to awox, it's not hard to make a clean account that passes all scrutiny. But thats pretty much beside the point. There's still no benefit to joining a player run corp. If your CEO lets in an awoxer and he ganks you, it's a bit late to react.

It doesn't have to. But all the time it doesn't NPC corps will be the favoured place for high sec players. A simple on/off switch for aggression in a corp would allow a CEO to control if his corp needs to be able to attack each other. Sure, a few awoxers would be sad about it, but in the long run it would promote player run corps over NPC corps. NPC corps should have a 10% tax on all refining too, bringing it in line with bounties.

There is literally no way to make recruitment tough enough to eliminate this issue to the point that NPC corps and one man corps are not still a better choice

Uh, you couldn't have missed the mark more than this. I don't really play much in high sec, just a couple of alts and they never get ganked, bumped or anything. And I don't despise anything about the mechanics. I'm simply stating why it is that NPC corps are so favoured. Honestly, I'm perfectly happy with it remaining the way it is, as it doesn't affect me in the slightest. But it is a shame that newer players are effectively encouraged to avoid playing with others.


Let me start by saying I do not like people wanting to make changes. Generally, they want something changed that favors only their playstyle without regards to others.

That being said, I don't hate the idea of toggling corp aggression and would encourage you to elaborate on it in F&I. Two issues that I would like to see addressed in such a proposal would be:

1) Making this change severely limits AWOXing which, while not enjoyed by the victims, is still enjoyed by some players. Is it fair to hamstring their playstyle?

2) The intended consequence is to get people out of NPC corps but moving into a player corp puts an individual player at risk of being wardecced at which point they just jump back to the safety of an NPC corp. Intended consequence fails so what is the point?

Thanks in advance for your response.

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Rick II Egnald
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#149 - 2014-01-06 21:55:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Rick II Egnald
Repeatedly bumping someone who is mining to keep them from mining and demanding a ransom to stop the bumping is not an accident.... it would be termed more as a form of in game extortion.

Miners have no ability to retaliate in .9 or 1.0 space against someone who repeatedly follows them from belt to belt for hours constantly bumping them off their asteroids.

I did pack up and move about 16 jumps out and hopefully that will solve the problem for a while.


Repeatedly bumping someone for an hour and chasing them through all the belts in a system with the sole purpose of keeping them from enjoying what they pay money to do is nothing but harassment plain and simple. Demanding a ransom to stop the activity should be a should be considered as proof that it is not "accidental" and should be a bannable offense considering there is a chat log of the conversation.


I seriously doubt at this point I will renew either of my accounts once my 6 months expires at this point and will focus instead on Elder Scrolls Online in a few months.


Mining is what attracted me to this game, its peaceful and quiet and I enjoy doing it.
KnowUsByTheDead
Sunlight...Through The Blight.
#150 - 2014-01-06 22:00:01 UTC
Rick II Egnald wrote:
Repeatedly bumping someone who is mining to keep them from mining and demanding a ransom to stop the bumping is not an accident.... it would be termed more as a form of in game extortion.

Miners have no ability to retaliate in .9 or 1.0 space against someone who repeatedly follows them from belt to belt for hours constantly bumping them off their asteroids.

I did pack up and move about 16 jumps out and hopefully that will solve the problem for a while.


Repeatedly bumping someone for an hour and chasing them through all the belts in a system with the sole purpose of keeping them from enjoying what they pay money to do is nothing but harassment plain and simple. Demanding a ransom to stop the activity should be a should be considered as proof that it is not "accidental" and should be a bannable offense considering there is a chat log of the conversation.


I seriously doubt at this point I will renew either of my accounts once my 6 months expires at this point and will focus instead on Elder Scrolls Online in a few months.


Mining is what attracted me to this game, its peaceful and quiet and I enjoy doing it.


10mil isk not only gets you 6 months of permit tank....it gets you a year.

No brainer, here. Plus we all know ESO is going to suck. Not even made by the good TES team. Roll

Once you realize what a joke everything is, being the comedian is the only thing that makes sense.
Lady Areola Fappington
#151 - 2014-01-06 22:05:31 UTC
Rick II Egnald wrote:
Repeatedly bumping someone who is mining to keep them from mining and demanding a ransom to stop the bumping is not an accident.... it would be termed more as a form of in game extortion.

Miners have no ability to retaliate in .9 or 1.0 space against someone who repeatedly follows them from belt to belt for hours constantly bumping them off their asteroids.

I did pack up and move about 16 jumps out and hopefully that will solve the problem for a while.


Repeatedly bumping someone for an hour and chasing them through all the belts in a system with the sole purpose of keeping them from enjoying what they pay money to do is nothing but harassment plain and simple. Demanding a ransom to stop the activity should be a should be considered as proof that it is not "accidental" and should be a bannable offense considering there is a chat log of the conversation.


I seriously doubt at this point I will renew either of my accounts once my 6 months expires at this point and will focus instead on Elder Scrolls Online in a few months.


Mining is what attracted me to this game, its peaceful and quiet and I enjoy doing it.



Glad you stopped by and gave EVE a shot! It's not a game for everyone, and I hope whatever future MMO you decide to play fits your expectations better.

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Ptraci
3 R Corporation
#152 - 2014-01-06 22:06:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Ptraci
Nerf Burger wrote:

yes, because what is supposed to be a sandbox game should force you to seek safety in numbers to do anything.Roll


Sure, because not only is it a sandbox game, it is a multi-player sandbox game... If you want single player go play Homeworld or something.
Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#153 - 2014-01-06 22:13:45 UTC
Kimmi Chan wrote:
1) Making this change severely limits AWOXing which, while not enjoyed by the victims, is still enjoyed by some players. Is it fair to hamstring their playstyle?
All changes would be good for some, bad for others. This only eliminates a single style of high sec awox, and for it's benefit I think it would be worth it.

Kimmi Chan wrote:
2) The intended consequence is to get people out of NPC corps but moving into a player corp puts an individual player at risk of being wardecced at which point they just jump back to the safety of an NPC corp. Intended consequence fails so what is the point?
That's an interesting point. I think wardec mechanics would need to be looked at to encourage people to stay in a corp. The problem you have is that industrial corps would be completely unable to defend, and mercenary contracts are incredibly expensive.

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Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#154 - 2014-01-06 22:14:13 UTC
Rick II Egnald wrote:
Repeatedly bumping someone who is mining to keep them from mining and demanding a ransom to stop the bumping is not an accident.... it would be termed more as a form of in game extortion.

Miners have no ability to retaliate in .9 or 1.0 space against someone who repeatedly follows them from belt to belt for hours constantly bumping them off their asteroids.

I did pack up and move about 16 jumps out and hopefully that will solve the problem for a while.


Repeatedly bumping someone for an hour and chasing them through all the belts in a system with the sole purpose of keeping them from enjoying what they pay money to do is nothing but harassment plain and simple. Demanding a ransom to stop the activity should be a should be considered as proof that it is not "accidental" and should be a bannable offense considering there is a chat log of the conversation.


Extortion is part of the game. It's not the bumper that is the porblem here, it's your lack of creativity in dealing with what he is doing. One right thing you did was move, very many miners would simply dock up and complain.

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I seriously doubt at this point I will renew either of my accounts once my 6 months expires at this point and will focus instead on Elder Scrolls Online in a few months.


Your choice, if this kind of thing bothers you then you and EVE aren't good fits.

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Mining is what attracted me to this game, its peaceful and quiet and I enjoy doing it.


Almost all I do is PVE, missions, exploration, incursions. I find it relaxing after a day of dealing with truly bad people. But at no point do I forget I'm playing EVE Online, a sandbox mmo legendary for being cold, harsh, dark and unforgiving. By PVEing I am playing the game correctly, as are the people trying to kill me. When I don't want that I play Star Trek Online rather than try to make EVE conform to my unreaosnable wishes.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#155 - 2014-01-06 22:15:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Rick II Egnald wrote:
Repeatedly bumping someone who is mining to keep them from mining and demanding a ransom to stop the bumping is not an accident.... it would be termed more as a form of in game extortion.
You are correct, it is extortion, which is allowed.

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Miners have no ability to retaliate in .9 or 1.0 space against someone who repeatedly follows them from belt to belt for hours constantly bumping them off their asteroids.

I did pack up and move about 16 jumps out and hopefully that will solve the problem for a while.
They have options, they can pay the permit fee, depending on how much of an arse they are about it determines whether or not the bumpers honour it, they can move, as you did. Properly fitted skiffs and procurers make a gankers life hard, add an afterburner to the skiff and use orbit, then the bumpers life also becomes harder.

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Repeatedly bumping someone for an hour and chasing them through all the belts in a system with the sole purpose of keeping them from enjoying what they pay money to do is nothing but harassment plain and simple. Demanding a ransom to stop the activity should be a should be considered as proof that it is not "accidental" and should be a bannable offense considering there is a chat log of the conversation.
CCP disagree with you, it's explicitly not an exploit or bannable offence, nor is it griefing.

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I seriously doubt at this point I will renew either of my accounts once my 6 months expires at this point and will focus instead on Elder Scrolls Online in a few months.
Enjoy.

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Mining is what attracted me to this game, its peaceful and quiet and I enjoy doing it.
It still can be, there's plenty of low traffic 0.5 to 0.7 systems with untouched belts once you get more than 5 or 6 jumps from a trade or mission hub regardless of TZ.

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#156 - 2014-01-06 22:19:40 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
When I don't want that I play Star Trek Online rather than try to make EVE conform to my unreaosnable wishes.


It seems almost as if you're trying to imply that other games exist that might cater to different playstyles, and that people are free to choose to play those at times, instead of enforcing their demands upon this game.

Utter lunacy.
Capt Starfox
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#157 - 2014-01-06 22:34:52 UTC
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:


Yes it is, and CCP thinks this is why you pay them 15 euros/USD each month. You're free to disagree them, of course. Try doing something else were you can't be prevented from playing. Or just try playing another game; Space Engineers is fashionable now, and Kerbal Space Program plans to go Multiplayer sometime this year. Also, X Rebirth may be worth it in a few months once the modders and Egosoft get their sh*t together.

Being bumped in EVE is totally optional. And remember: never agree to blackmail as that only encourages further blackmail.


Dear god, if you cannot play the game because of an organization of players that is avoidable, biomass. Oh look, teehee, I hear Hello Kitty would be great to try out, teehee.

Put forth the effort, move systems, move halfway across high-sec, don't be stupid, watch local, tank your ship, keep tabs on NO whereabouts ..oh wait I'm implying that you have to try.. Actually and this is a laugh, if you don't want to try, pay the permit fee. But most of you will just petition and complain, cause why put forth effort in a video game that at its core is PvP based.

Abandon all hope ye who x up in fleet
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#158 - 2014-01-06 22:43:01 UTC
^^ Requires effort and planning, not an acceptable solution for some.

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Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#159 - 2014-01-06 22:44:40 UTC
I know right?
People expecting games to be fun an all... Makes me sick...
You play EVE to work, not mess around having fun!

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Kimmi Chan
Tastes Like Purple
#160 - 2014-01-06 22:48:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Kimmi Chan
Kimmi Chan wrote:
1) Making this change severely limits AWOXing which, while not enjoyed by the victims, is still enjoyed by some players. Is it fair to hamstring their playstyle?
All changes would be good for some, bad for others. This only eliminates a single style of high sec awox, and for it's benefit I think it would be worth it.[/quote]

Now I think it's clear why I do not favor most changes. Not that this is necessarily a bad idea but it does prevent a group of players from doing what they want to do.

Lucas Kell wrote:
Kimmi Chan wrote:
2) The intended consequence is to get people out of NPC corps but moving into a player corp puts an individual player at risk of being wardecced at which point they just jump back to the safety of an NPC corp. Intended consequence fails so what is the point?
That's an interesting point. I think wardec mechanics would need to be looked at to encourage people to stay in a corp. The problem you have is that industrial corps would be completely unable to defend, and mercenary contracts are incredibly expensive.


And the other reason I generally don't like changes. The smallest change, in order for it to fulfill it's intended consequences, would require another small change here and another and another.

Good intentions to be sure, but the implementation and fallout could be unforeseeably (yes I'm making up words) catastrophic or catastrophically unforeseeable.

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