EVE General Discussion

This thread is the past, the present and the future.

It will never stop until either nobody gets blown up anymore or when new players stop getting educated by weak links.

It's the strong links' fault that the situation came to this in the first place.

So plant an alt into a starter corp and start educating people beyond mining, running missions and thus playing isolated.

Not sure that there is a "certain way" to play space anarchy.

I mine and protect my miners, in null. You see when i hear a miner has gotten blaped in HS I give them a hug and tell them it's ok because now matter how mean they are to you in HS, they are always to scared to do ANYTHING in null sec.

Also for the record, every man and dog in a WH uses an orca in PvP

Seriously?! Neckbeards? EVERY MMO is awash with neckbeards. Seriously, do try to keep up, m'kay?

And StarCitizen? People are still riding that pony? C'mon. You can do better than that.

You should have long ago grown used to the fact that EVE is not for everyone. That it is, indeed, only for 'Teh Few.' This is a self-selected community. Many may try, few will stay. But enough stay that the game slowly grows, and that is more than sufficient.

And in each of those cites, you *still* have to be ready for combat - albeit their part of combat is "run like hell!" stuff. Still, shots are being fired, and survival is at stake. Yes, that's combat. Just because it's not aggressive, but instead reactive, doesn't mean that ships will not explode. Doesn't mean that those boldly unarmed pilots aren't going to do their damnedset to thwart and defeat their foes - it' just means that for them, "victory" is "survival."

Every time a ganker has come after one of my hulls, and I've gotten away, you can bet I call it victory. I can do a "you missed me!" taunt equal to any ganker's victory "yaaar!"


As for tanking Barges, I'll flatly state that when I send out my mining alt (truthfully, not very often at all), he is often flying an untanked Barge. Why? Because I count Barge losses into my proffit-and-loss planning. I know how often I get successfully ganked (not often), I know how much a stripped-down Barge costs vs. how much it can earn, and thus know exactly how many hours of mining are necessary to replace each hull. I also know how much a fully-fitted Barge costs. And I know how the difference between 'fully-tanked' and 'non-tanked' affects my loss rate (essentially zero change).

Beause I use situational-awareness tanking, I find that I get slightly better profit from bare-bones Barges.
Unless I'm using my Barge as a scout for a gank, in which case I tank it to the gunwales.

Sure, that's a choice. But at least if you guide them through the procurer, they'll at least know for sure there's an alternative, and probably still have it laying around.

At the end of the day I'm just highlighting one of many methods by which people could be guided to help themselves without having to go to either extreme of throwing bubble wrap around everyone or screaming "HTFU" in their faces. I wouldn't expect, nor want it to suddenly make every noob safe.

At first I thought, "How did I miss this thread!?!" until I realized it was only a couple days old and still growing. Such is the interest and activity generated by the New Order both in and out of game.

I feel like I'm back in 2012 after reading the comments. No growth on the part of a lot of players who have been around long enough to know better and the same bull headed refusal to consider alternatives by the newer.

Here is what i expect from a miner when I bump him. I expect him to at least do what I tell him to do which is 1) go to www.minerbumping.com , 2) Read "The Code" and 3) consider whether or not he has to comply. So many are so sure we are illegitimate, that we are "griefers" and can be banned/resisted/ignored that they don't do the common sense thing of finding out what is, in fact, happening to them.

Once a miner reads the Code he has a decision to make. Join up! or attempt to resist. While permit tank is best tank and buying a permit is a wise economic decision and blah blah blah I realize it may take some convincing to get someone who actually believes mining in highsec is a good idea to pry open the old noodle a bit and consider a new viewpoint so I am willing to patiently bump them towards nirvana. Whether this is because I am so kind and benevolent or because I am a sociopath is probably not proveable and definitely not relevant. I do it because I can and because I want to. In Eve, this is reason enough.

So the entire discussion about whether what we do is harassment or griefing or allowed by EULA or a good idea for Eve or reflective of deep, real world insecurities DON'T MAKE NO MATTER! We have decided that the New Halaima Code of Conduct is in force in all New Order systems (those with sec status between .5 and 1.0). We bump or gank any offenders that we choose to. We expect and even welcome resistance as it is a definite step TOWARDS Code compliance by a bot aspirant.

The only thing debatable is whether we are effectively making a difference. Highsec is a pretty big place and my personal experience in Kino, where I've ganked literally hundreds over the last few months, show me that many miners don't consider us an existential problem. Much like the story of the starfish, we have to be content with making a difference to the one miner we are currently saving. For me, that's enough.

Because when you get right down to it, I am a zealot for the Code and I believe that what the New Order of Highsec is doing is important to the future of Eve. I know its a game and I know we play to have fun. But a safe highsec does not make for a fun game. In the best tradition of Eve Online, we, the players, are addressing the problem of the nerfing of highsec pvp.

Everyone else can decide whether to support us or to support bot aspirancy.

Highsec is worth fighting for.

Bing Bangboom
Agent of the New Order of Highsec
Belligerent Undesirable

OH I CAN IMPROVE THIS EXPONENTIALLY!!

Get another 10% to stop AFKing.

If you get more than 10% you are doing even better at making hisec safer!

And safer.

And safer.

Okay I'm tired of this.

And safer!!

Theoretically, if you could get all miners to fit a tank and to NOT AFK you could increase safety in hisec by a whopping 200% and never touch the existing mechanics.

Because this make nothing safer at all... this idea will only change profit margins and losses for gankers. there is no effect on safety.