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Returning from a long break,,,,, question about griefers

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Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#201 - 2014-01-07 02:51:08 UTC
Nerf Burger wrote:
[or you know... psychology textbooks.

LOL. Think anyone will actually believe you've read one?
Mister Simms
Society for Miner Education
#202 - 2014-01-07 03:05:04 UTC
Rick II Egnald wrote:
I just started playing again after a 5 year break,,, I finally got myself up to a hulk to mine, and I only mine in .9 for now until I can train drones up enough to get some hobs for protection.


Anyways, I encountered this for the first time today....... some doorknob evidently finds great delight in ramming mining ships to keep knocking you out of mining distance...... this guy followed me around for an hour doing this and demandng a 10,000,000 ransom to stop.... you can't attack them in .9


Is this normal now?


I find the whole miner bumping thing to be highly annoying. I don't like extortion in any form. However, you will need to learn to deal with it. Here are some suggestions.

- Orbit the rock and keep your speed up. There are very few bumpers with the skill to consistently hit you.
- Keep the rock between you and the bumper, harder to do but it helps.
- Go to a different belt/system.
- Remember that while you are mining, earning isk, they are wasting their time on you.
- Never, EVER pay them money.
- Laugh at them in local.


I heard rumor that CCP was looking at a mechanic that would cause damage to ships involved in collisions. Is this true?


silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
#203 - 2014-01-07 03:13:46 UTC
Mister Simms wrote:

- Orbit the rock and keep your speed up. There are very few bumpers with the skill to consistently hit you.
Orbit at range - allows you to maintain a higher absolute velocity.

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- Keep the rock between you and the bumper, harder to do but it helps.

It it's a New Order Doctrine-fit bumper, you're going to have a hard time keep away.

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- Go to a different belt/system.

Use your intelligence channels - They tend to clump.

Also - Set a ring of safes around the system, so you're always pointing at, or nearly at, a safe. That way, if you're orbiting at speed, and a NO ganker hits the belt instead of a bumper, you have a higher chance to escape. This is where orbiting at range makes a difference; you'll already be at or nearly at warp entry velocity. Of course, you also have to keep your eyes peeled, and your intelligenec channels clear. Situational awareness == best tank.

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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#204 - 2014-01-07 05:11:13 UTC
Rick II Egnald wrote:
I just started playing again after a 5 year break,,, I finally got myself up to a hulk to mine, and I only mine in .9 for now until I can train drones up enough to get some hobs for protection.


Anyways, I encountered this for the first time today....... some doorknob evidently finds great delight in ramming mining ships to keep knocking you out of mining distance...... this guy followed me around for an hour doing this and demandng a 10,000,000 ransom to stop.... you can't attack them in .9


Is this normal now?

Yeah, things sure have changed a lot within the past 5 years.

Anyway, welcome back to Grief Online.

Er, I mean Eve Online.


DMC
Rainbow Dash
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#205 - 2014-01-07 05:27:44 UTC
Mister Simms wrote:
Rick II Egnald wrote:
I just started playing again after a 5 year break,,, I finally got myself up to a hulk to mine, and I only mine in .9 for now until I can train drones up enough to get some hobs for protection.


Anyways, I encountered this for the first time today....... some doorknob evidently finds great delight in ramming mining ships to keep knocking you out of mining distance...... this guy followed me around for an hour doing this and demandng a 10,000,000 ransom to stop.... you can't attack them in .9


Is this normal now?


I find the whole miner bumping thing to be highly annoying. I don't like extortion in any form. However, you will need to learn to deal with it. Here are some suggestions.

- Orbit the rock and keep your speed up. There are very few bumpers with the skill to consistently hit you.
- Keep the rock between you and the bumper, harder to do but it helps.
- Go to a different belt/system.
- Remember that while you are mining, earning isk, they are wasting their time on you.
- Never, EVER pay them money.
- Laugh at them in local.


I heard rumor that CCP was looking at a mechanic that would cause damage to ships involved in collisions. Is this true?




CCP isn't looking into anything. It's not a problem, so they're not "fixing" it.
Capt Starfox
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#206 - 2014-01-07 07:11:06 UTC
Nerf Burger wrote:

yea, tell that to my friends who I can't get to play EVE because none of them wants to ever be at the mercy of cowardly douchebags who take no risks and pay no real consequences for failure or success.

I guess CCP didn't want their money anyway? They would rather keep cowardly grief monkeys who are afraid of challenge happy? Like I said, hopefully CCP will pull their head out of their ass one of these days.

Nerf Burger wrote:


hey aren't you just whining about valid complaints? pretty sure you are. But hey its typical for hypocritical self serving types to not have a problem with something that doesn't effect them in a negative way.


Nerf Burger wrote:

it has nothing to do with standing up for ourselves, you ridiculous clown. It is the fact that high sec "pirates" can't really be punished and take no risks and sometimes people just want to pve and not be ****** with. You have serious reading comprehension issues you need to work out before you post on these forums any further.


Nerf Burger wrote:

Try your hardest to comprehended this with that limited intelligence. Not everything in a mmorpg has has to be done with a group of people, especially a game touted as a "sandbox". Also, expecting everyone to always have friends at their disposal for every mundane task is an unrealistic and moronic expectation for high sec players.


From reading some of your posts I see the same recurring issue that you have with this game. You don't want to do anything that would help your situation, however, you want someone else to do it for you. This is not how things work here. Also indirectly threatening CCP about money if you don't get your way is very childish.

You should put forth the effort "stand up for yourself" and take the necessary steps and precautions to reduce the likelihood of being ganked. CCP has given you everything you need, you just need to be smart enough to use it.

If you came here legitimately looking for ways to counter NO and admitted that you really didn't know how to, people from NO, other pirates and other people in this thread would have been the first to offer help. It's all about your attitude.

You can play Eve Online as a solo player until someone else decides to bring you back into the fold. Another idea to consider, once you make a mistake and loss a ship is what you do next is paramount to the way others view you in this game. Example, you get ganked, but instead of putting forth the effort to reduce the probability of getting ganked again, you come to the forums and rage about it, you demand CCP intervention whether that be directly, or indirectly, you threaten to quit said game.. etc. If you can't handle this, I have two questions. 1) Why the hell did you sign up for this game? 2) Can I have your stuff?

Abandon all hope ye who x up in fleet

Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#207 - 2014-01-07 07:23:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Lucas Kell
Wow, so this thread, like all others has rapidly turned into trolling.

All of you guys banging on about how people HTFU, and should do thing for themselves and waah, waah, waah, you're a bunch of idiots. This is a game guys, not a career. New players don't like this game, because they turn up and we just smash them into the ground and scream HTFU in their fact when they try to talk about it. This game is doomed to be just alts forever, because most of the community just wants to feel the power and stroke the epeen.

Honestly, I'm surprised new players even show up nowadays. I used to try to encourage my mates to play, now if people ask about eve, I simply say "you probably won't like it". At the end of the day, people play games to be entertained. It's not entertainment to be bumped, ganked and insulted by a 10 year vet who's got nothing better to do, then told to HTFU by the community.

Please proceed to shower me with all the trolling, whining and insulting we normally see in GD.

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Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#208 - 2014-01-07 07:32:14 UTC
Nerf Burger wrote:
But hey its typical for hypocritical self serving types


Interesting.

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Jessica Danikov
Network Danikov
#209 - 2014-01-07 07:50:53 UTC
GD is mostly populated by vocal people with the more polarised opinions.

Most new players aren't being relentlessly smashed into the ground and told to HTFU. A number of them land in any of a plethora of larger or smaller corps that are supportive and educational for newer players and involvement in those communities is what helps them adhere to the game.

EVE isn't 'just a game' in the sense that you're not entitled to have fun with it- it's not designed to be a 'pick up and play' game, it's not something you can bring home to the family and play with them around the table after dinner over Christmas. Like any MMO, there's a depth of content that can only be explored and enjoyed over time. Unlike most MMOs, a large amount of that content is player driven.

HTFU isn't telling people not to be cry-babies. It's about telling them to take control of their experience. They can chose a life of compliance, a life of defiance, or they can seek out alternatives. HTFU is for people who expect the game to be meted out to them in crafted chunks for their consumption and expect to have that experience protected, to which CCP and the community resolutely gaze down and say 'No'.
Anomaly One
Doomheim
#210 - 2014-01-07 07:58:40 UTC
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Wow, so this thread, like all others has rapidly turned into trolling.


And I suppose your post isn't trolling? where the **** are all these bumpers and griefers because i've been living in high sec for 7 months, MINING and didn't see one, anyway.. the normal whiners crybabies in this thread, people tell you to HTFU because they're sick of your ****..

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your a bunch of idiots.


lol.

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Anomaly One
Doomheim
#211 - 2014-01-07 08:01:23 UTC
this thread summed up for the whiners about ganking:

"This is a sandbox !! I should be allowed to do whatever I want! but others shouldn't do whatever they want! because they are interfering with MY gameplay!! this is a sandbox everyone should be able to do whatever they want!! except those guys!"

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Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#212 - 2014-01-07 08:10:35 UTC
Anomaly One wrote:
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Wow, so this thread, like all others has rapidly turned into trolling.


And I suppose your post isn't trolling? where the **** are all these bumpers and griefers because i've been living in high sec for 7 months, MINING and didn't see one, anyway.. the normal whiners crybabies in this thread, people tell you to HTFU because they're sick of your ****..

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your a bunch of idiots.


lol.
:D First post of the morning.

And nobody is telling me to HTFU, since I'm not the OP. But I've seen countless noobs insulted and trolled into leaving. It's pointless trolling from a bunch of neckbeards.

Jessica Danikov wrote:
EVE isn't 'just a game' in the sense that you're not entitled to have fun with it- it's not designed to be a 'pick up and play' game, it's not something you can bring home to the family and play with them around the table after dinner over Christmas. Like any MMO, there's a depth of content that can only be explored and enjoyed over time. Unlike most MMOs, a large amount of that content is player driven.
Bull. EVE is a game like any other, designed for entertainment. Just because half the community wants to treat it like it's the most important part of their life and that it must be endured and worked doesn't change that. The really dumb thing is all this "player driven content", like the alts bumping and ganking miners isn't really done to older players. I've never been bumped or ganked, simply because I've played long enough before it existed to know how to avoid it now. So basically what's happening is new players are arriving, getting bullied by the older ones and not bothering to stick around. NEWSFLASH: That's not content.

You seriously need to observe a new player coming into the game without helping them or guiding them and watch what the new player experience is like. It's absolute rubbish. The game tells them nothing and when they ask for assistance anywhere they get trolled or scammed. It honestly shocks me that new accounts are still ticking up, and I'm convince that the majority of it is vets creating alt accounts.

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Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#213 - 2014-01-07 08:12:02 UTC
Anomaly One wrote:
this thread summed up for the whiners about ganking:

"This is a sandbox !! I should be allowed to do whatever I want! but others shouldn't do whatever they want! because they are interfering with MY gameplay!! this is a sandbox everyone should be able to do whatever they want!! except those guys!"
Uh, not quite. Seriously, if you can't see what the issues being raised are then clearly you can't be bothered to read the thread so I can't really be bothered to explain it to you.

So go back to your bridge, have a herring and take a nap.

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Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#214 - 2014-01-07 08:20:38 UTC
Lucas Kell wrote:
Honestly, I'm surprised new players even show up nowadays. I used to try to encourage my mates to play, now if people ask about eve, I simply say "you probably won't like it".

Most people have never liked it and never will. That's why it's popular, because it's a niche game that appeals to a certain type of player. CCP doesn't need to appeal to your friends, they need to appeal to the niche market that enjoys the game.
Anomaly One
Doomheim
#215 - 2014-01-07 08:34:34 UTC
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So go back to your bridge, have a herring and take a nap.


coming from you i'd take that as a, nothing.

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Uh, not quite. Seriously, if you can't see what the issues being raised are then clearly you can't be bothered to read the thread so I can't really be bothered to explain it to you.


Your post made much to increase the awareness in this thread.
Good thing there aren't 590239 other threads like this one, but wait, this one is different.
IB4 "the fact that there are 4903493 other threads means there is an issue"

But hey i'm glad you decided to reply to my post!

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Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#216 - 2014-01-07 08:43:38 UTC
Anomaly One wrote:
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So go back to your bridge, have a herring and take a nap.


coming from you i'd take that as a, nothing.

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Uh, not quite. Seriously, if you can't see what the issues being raised are then clearly you can't be bothered to read the thread so I can't really be bothered to explain it to you.


Your post made much to increase the awareness in this thread.
Good thing there aren't 590239 other threads like this one, but wait, this one is different.
IB4 "the fact that there are 4903493 other threads means there is an issue"

But hey I'm glad you decided to reply to my post!
I don't even know what this post was trying to accomplish. It certainly had nothing to do with the OP.

And you're right, there's no issue. Let's just merrily plod along as is. You can go mine AFK while running your little bumper alt. I'll continue to play around in null and we can just await the inevitable collapse that is inherent to any game where the vets are completely intolerant of new players.

I could be wrong though. It's not like CCP employees are hastily jumping ship or anything right?

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Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#217 - 2014-01-07 08:48:28 UTC
Riot Girl wrote:
Lucas Kell wrote:
Honestly, I'm surprised new players even show up nowadays. I used to try to encourage my mates to play, now if people ask about eve, I simply say "you probably won't like it".

Most people have never liked it and never will. That's why it's popular, because it's a niche game that appeals to a certain type of player. CCP doesn't need to appeal to your friends, they need to appeal to the niche market that enjoys the game.
Well that really depends on if the niche market is big enough to sustain the company. As time progresses other games are coming out in the same market, and this one is beginning to age. We're still running on single threaded servers and have practically reached the limit of what the game can hold, while other games are able to adapt and improve.

And bear in mind that even the niche market players are put off. Unless you really believe the market is "People who like to get told by some sperg raging 12 year old to HFTU (with animated gifs to say the same)".

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admiral root
Red Galaxy
#218 - 2014-01-07 08:56:04 UTC
Lucas Kell wrote:
It's not like CCP employees are hastily jumping ship or anything right?


You mean a few well-known devs have left CCP over the past year? I think someone managed to beat a list out of one of your fellow conspiracy theorists and it came to something like 4 of them.

No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff

Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#219 - 2014-01-07 08:59:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Riot Girl
Lucas Kell wrote:
Well that really depends on if the niche market is big enough to sustain the company.

It clearly is.

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As time progresses other games are coming out in the same market, and this one is beginning to age.

I can't say I know of any other games that accomplish what Eve has. If there were more modern alternatives, I'd try them out.

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We're still running on single threaded servers and have practically reached the limit of what the game can hold, while other games are able to adapt and improve.

Which other games? WoW isn't even as old as Eve and has far more technical limitations due to primitive coding or something. All games become outdated.

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And bear in mind that even the niche market players are put off.

They are?
Anomaly One
Doomheim
#220 - 2014-01-07 09:07:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Anomaly One
ah **** it, i'm replying to a troll..
go back to the covops thread pls.

you're a nullbear, i'm a carebear, you're worst

love the psychology bullshit in this thread though keep it up (P.S: it's the same person who had the avatar of a bald woman and started various threads on it psychology/gankers, now in doomheim)

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