Out of Pod Experience

Part of the problem is that, as Kuhn pointed out in his Structure of Scientific Revolutions, evidence for a paradigm shift can be slight and attributable to instrument failure or just incommensurablility in methods.

But I kind of agree with the point that Big Science seems to be driven by the desire to obtain large financial grants (if that was a subtext of your post).

*shakes head*

No, no, no.
Now I KNOW you don't understand.

"God Particle." <-Note teh quatation marks. Not to be confused with diety. It's a flippant label attached to what theory describes as a fundamental 'particle' (which may indeed be no such thing) responsible for a vast array of interactions and forces. And they ran an experiment. Which demonstrated that a particle can be found which is detectable by the means which theory indicates it should be detectable. Which particle does not behave in the manner in which theory expects it to behave.

The flippant label remains, even if the theory has been experimentally shown to be flawed. Or perhaps the experiment was flawed. Or both. Whichever way it is, new knowledge has been learned. Theories will be reexamined in light of experimental results. New tests and experiments will be designed.

But the flippant label will still remain.
Why? Because it's easier to leave it than it is to go back and correct all those articles and papers and what-have-you.

Your fundamental error (other than not understanding scientific method)? Taking seriously a flippant label.

..................and landing us on the Moon.

Oh wait. You probably think Stanley Kubrick helped NASA to fake that. (Danny's "Apollo 12 sweater" in "The Shining")

I work in the medical field and that statement is 100% true, and I stand buy it whole heartedly. If you think it is repugnant, I suggest reading it again since you seem to be missing various subtle points in text.




Also...no thoughts on Higgs fields then I take it? Well ok then



P.S.
On second thought, I must be really leaving an impression if you somehow found that post lol. You have even been keeping track of how long I have not been posting? (Looks out window )

They don't call it the "Science Religion" for nothing.

http://www.atlas.ch/news/2012/latest-results-from-higgs-search.html

"The 2012 data set comes from proton collisions with an increased centre of mass energy of 8 TeV and includes more data (collected in only three months) than was collected in all of 2011.[...]The LHC is expected to provide ATLAS with double the data again by the end of the 2012, before the beginning of a long shutdown to upgrade the accelerator. When the machine starts up again toward the end of 2014, it will operate at nearly twice its current energy."
"Both channels show a statistically significant excess at about the same place: a mass of around 126 GeV. A statistical combination of these channels and others puts the significance of the signal at 5 sigma, meaning that only one experiment in three million would see an apparent signal this strong in a universe without a Higgs."
"We observe in our data clear signs of a new particle, at the level of 5 sigma, in the mass region around 126 GeV. [...]A little more time is needed to finalize these results, and more data and more study will be needed to determine the new particle’s properties."
(note: this means sometime in 2016 or even later)

http://www.nbcnews.com/science/milestone-higgs-quest-scientists-find-new-particle-861976?franchiseSlug=sciencemain

"After today's announcement, Heuer alluded to the job ahead. "We have to find out which kind of Higgs boson this is. ... We have discovered a boson, and now we have to determine what kind of boson it is," he told reporters. Later, he said "we can call it a Higgs boson, but we cannot call it the Higgs boson."
Getting the full picture would take time. "Ask me in three, four years," after the LHC reaches full power, Heuer said."
"Fermilab physicist Don Lincoln, who is a member of the CMS research team, agreed that a little caution was in order. "It is definitely a boson, and it looks and smells like the Higgs. But until we do all the senses ... we won't know for sure,""


And a few extra discussions...

http://resonaances.blogspot.co.uk/2013/02/when-shall-we-call-it-higgs.html

"the particle discovered at the LHC last year is being called different names: sometimes the 125 GeV particle, sometimes a scalar boson (as opposed to scalar fermions), and most often a Higgs-like boson. This caution was understandable at the early stage, given the fresh memory of faster-than-light neutrinos. However, since it's been walking and quacking like a duck for more than half a year now, there's a discussion among experimenters when they will be allowed to drop the derogatory "-like" suffix. "
"We know it's a boson. We know it's not spin 1 [...] Formally it might be spin 2, but in practice it cannot be either.[...]Thus, the 125 GeV particle has to be a scalar.[...]we're left with a spin-0 particle as the only reasonable option. But zero spin is still not equivalent to a Higgs boson.[...]A Higgs boson is a scalar particle that couples to W and Z bosons as in L1, with cV > 0. Along the same vein, one can define the Higgs boson as a unique Higgs boson with the cV coupling close to one. Thus, to prove we are dealing with a Higgs and not an impostor it is enough to prove the coupling cV is non-zero. Actually, we already know that based on the current data.[...]So, with very few assumptions, and independently on what the values of the other couplings are, one can argue the particle discovered at the LHC is a Higgs boson. At 95% confidence level cV is within 15% of the standard model value cV=1, so it clearly smells like the Higgs boson. But of course that last statement is less robust as there's still a lot of room for other Higgs bosons being present in nature."

and

http://profmattstrassler.com/2012/11/14/higgs-results-at-kyoto/
with further reading at
http://profmattstrassler.com/articles-and-posts/the-higgs-particle/the-standard-model-higgs/seeking-and-studying-the-standard-model-higgs-particle/
and
http://profmattstrassler.com/articles-and-posts/the-higgs-particle/the-discovery-of-the-higgs/higgs-discovery-the-data/


How about
http://home.web.cern.ch/cern-people/updates/2013/11/atlas-41-sigma-higgs-two-tau
"The ATLAS experiment at CERN has released preliminary results that show evidence that the Higgs boson decays to two tau particles. Taus belong to a group of subatomic particles called the fermions, which make up matter. This result – measured at 4.1 sigma on the 5-point scale particle physicists use to determine the certainty of a result – is the first evidence for a Higgs decay to fermions."
"This important finding was made possible through careful analysis of data produced by the LHC during its first run. Only with new data will physicists be able to determine if the compatibility remains or if other new models become viable. Fortunately, the next LHC run, which begins in 2015, is expected to produce several times the existing data sample. In addition, the proton collisions will be at higher energies, producing Higgs bosons at higher rates."

Props to Akita for both a debunking and a bedunking.

The LHC is supposed to only reach full power in 2016, isn't it ?

well, Half Life 3 confirmed, then, isn't it?.

That's pretty cool Brujo Loco, are you in any way shape or form associated with that?