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Phoenix Redesign Idea
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Gypsio III
State War Academy
Caldari State
#41 - 2014-01-09 15:40:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Gypsio III
Arthur Aihaken wrote:
Gypsio III wrote:
[Also sort of unrealistic for the battleship, because you've assumed no support.

Not necessarily. A Dreadnought should at least be able to "hold its own" against battleships without a small armada of support.


No it shouldn't, IMO, and anyway, a lone turret dread cannot hold its own against hostile BS, because it's really quite easy for them to get under its guns' tracking and receive 0% damage.

Ordo Malus wrote:
1) Phoenix will perform well against capitals in a general situation. (Dread vs dread)


I don't think it does perform well here. It has lower DPS than the Moros and Naglfar and less flexibility of damage type than the Naglfar. It has no meaningful range advantage and when you mix damage types to avoid your applied DPS being crippled by RAHs or refitting, it does less raw damage than even the Revelation. Applied DPS over time is further reduced by the interaction of siege mode and missile flight time. The burst tank and volley damage are nice, but I don't think it's controversial to rank the Phoenix 4/4 in this situation - which is kinda suggested by the usage stats.

And note that fiddling with explosion velocity does nothing for the Phoenix's ranking here - the only thing that can really be changed is raw DPS and damage type flexibility. This is why I keep banging on about explosion velocity not being the answer alone.
Arthur Aihaken
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#42 - 2014-01-09 16:47:34 UTC
Gypsio III wrote:
No it shouldn't, IMO, and anyway, a lone turret dread cannot hold its own against hostile BS, because it's really quite easy for them to get under its guns' tracking and receive 0% damage.

Respectfully, this is where we agree to disagree. All the Phoenix really needs is three more launcher slots such that it could run a combination of Siege-bonused Citadel cruise launchers and standard cruise launchers.

I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
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