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Burning down the hive ship and fitting required?
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Adela Talvanen
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#1 - 2014-01-05 15:47:00 UTC
Just had my Merlin which I was quite fond of blown up on the second part of the mission. Sad

Before I go back, any recommendations as to what ship [and fitting] should I purchase?

Should I go for over kill or just up grade to a Cruiser or Destroyer, as a Battleship is a bit excessive to finish off some drones?
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#2 - 2014-01-05 15:49:27 UTC
Cruiser is recommended for those with less experience and skills, although a destroyer is also capable of completing the entire epic arc (running it on a fairly new character I was able to complete all of it in a Cormorant, my second time overall).

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Kryptik Kai
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#3 - 2014-01-05 15:49:37 UTC
any range fit destroyer will make the SoE arc a cakewalk

"Shiny.  Lets be bad guys." -Jayne Cobb
Adela Talvanen
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#4 - 2014-01-05 15:54:53 UTC
Right, thanks for the tips.

I'll see what the prices are for both types.
Angelica Dreamstar
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2014-01-05 16:07:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Angelica Dreamstar
Stick with smaller ships. They help you actually gain experience. If you "upgrade" you'll just make your life easier without actually learning anything and you pay even more when you lose it.

Try different tactics instead of going the easy route. That way you will be far more proud of yourself when you "did it" and you will have learned something, too!

bingo, his pig not being a goat doesn't make the pig wrong, just him an idiot for shouting at his pig "WHY ARENT YOU A GOAT!" (Source)

-- Ralph King-Griffin, about deranged people playing EVE ONLINE
Adela Talvanen
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#6 - 2014-01-05 16:31:31 UTC
Angelica Dreamstar wrote:
Stick with smaller ships. They help you actually gain experience. If you "upgrade" you'll just make your life easier without actually learning anything and you pay even more when you lose it.

Try different tactics instead of going the easy route. That way you will be far more proud of yourself when you "did it" and you will have learned something, too!


Thanks for the tip.

SOOO, I have two choices in the two classes.

For the cheap and cheerful Destroyer the Corax, or the Cormorant

And for the more capable but more expensive Cruiser the Caracal or the Moa.

Then for either I have the fittings. I'm currently skilled in both hybrid rails, and small misslies.
Angelica Dreamstar
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2014-01-05 16:36:07 UTC
Adela Talvanen wrote:
Angelica Dreamstar wrote:
Stick with smaller ships. They help you actually gain experience. If you "upgrade" you'll just make your life easier without actually learning anything and you pay even more when you lose it.

Try different tactics instead of going the easy route. That way you will be far more proud of yourself when you "did it" and you will have learned something, too!


Thanks for the tip.

SOOO, I have two choices in the two classes.

For the cheap and cheerful Destroyer the Corax, or the Cormorant

And for the more capable but more expensive Cruiser the Caracal or the Moa.

Then for either I have the fittings. I'm currently skilled in both hybrid rails, and small misslies.

They're not really more capable in regards to yourself.

What's the range you have on your frigate? Have you tried increasing it?
Have you tried orbiting at higher speed to reduce damage ?


See ... first problem about your question is that you did not provide any information regarding how you tried killing them and how you got blown up. Asking people for advise will just give you the generic "upgrade" answer, which not only is stupid ... it also makes stupid.

bingo, his pig not being a goat doesn't make the pig wrong, just him an idiot for shouting at his pig "WHY ARENT YOU A GOAT!" (Source)

-- Ralph King-Griffin, about deranged people playing EVE ONLINE
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#8 - 2014-01-05 16:36:09 UTC
Adela Talvanen wrote:

Thanks for the tip.

SOOO, I have two choices in the two classes.

For the cheap and cheerful Destroyer the Corax, or the Cormorant

And for the more capable but more expensive Cruiser the Caracal or the Moa.

Then for either I have the fittings. I'm currently skilled in both hybrid rails, and small misslies.



Kestrel ---> Corax ---> Caracal ---> Drake ---> Raven

If you like missiles

Amarr if you dont lol

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Angelica Dreamstar
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2014-01-05 16:38:51 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Adela Talvanen wrote:

Thanks for the tip.

SOOO, I have two choices in the two classes.

For the cheap and cheerful Destroyer the Corax, or the Cormorant

And for the more capable but more expensive Cruiser the Caracal or the Moa.

Then for either I have the fittings. I'm currently skilled in both hybrid rails, and small misslies.



Kestrel ---> Corax ---> Caracal ---> Drake ---> Raven

If you like missiles

Amarr if you dont lol
I don't understand your post. With that, you just display that you're supporting the idiotic idea of upgrading to a bigger ship every time something gets more complicated.

bingo, his pig not being a goat doesn't make the pig wrong, just him an idiot for shouting at his pig "WHY ARENT YOU A GOAT!" (Source)

-- Ralph King-Griffin, about deranged people playing EVE ONLINE
Adela Talvanen
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#10 - 2014-01-05 16:41:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Adela Talvanen
Angelica Dreamstar wrote:
Adela Talvanen wrote:
Angelica Dreamstar wrote:
Stick with smaller ships. They help you actually gain experience. If you "upgrade" you'll just make your life easier without actually learning anything and you pay even more when you lose it.

Try different tactics instead of going the easy route. That way you will be far more proud of yourself when you "did it" and you will have learned something, too!


Thanks for the tip.

SOOO, I have two choices in the two classes.

For the cheap and cheerful Destroyer the Corax, or the Cormorant

And for the more capable but more expensive Cruiser the Caracal or the Moa.

Then for either I have the fittings. I'm currently skilled in both hybrid rails, and small misslies.

They're not really more capable in regards to yourself.

What's the range you have on your frigate? Have you tried increasing it?
Have you tried orbiting at higher speed to reduce damage ?


See ... first problem about your question is that you did not provide any information regarding how you tried killing them and how you got blown up. Asking people for advise will just give you the generic "upgrade" answer, which not only is stupid ... it also makes stupid.


My range for my former Merlin's rails was 14Km, I had an afterburner on and going like mad, and I tried to keep the orbit on the initial primary targets i.e. the webbing drones as big I could get, and as big an orbit as the Merlins weaponry allows to be effective.
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#11 - 2014-01-05 16:41:18 UTC
Angelica Dreamstar wrote:
I don't understand your post. With that, you just display that you're supporting the idiotic idea of upgrading to a bigger ship every time something gets more complicated.



No, you just display how you dont understand that a kestrel cant do a Level 4 mission and that learning the first ship in a line of development to its conclusion gives you a good basis in every ship that comes after.

In short, dont try flying a raven until you can fly a corax properly

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Angelica Dreamstar
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2014-01-05 16:44:22 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Angelica Dreamstar wrote:
I don't understand your post. With that, you just display that you're supporting the idiotic idea of upgrading to a bigger ship every time something gets more complicated.



No, you just display how you dont understand that a kestrel cant do a Level 4 mission and that learning the first ship in a line of development to its conclusion gives you a good basis in every ship that comes after.

In short, dont try flying a raven until you can fly a corax properly
That confused me.

We're not talking about a lvl4 and I agree, trying that in a kestrel won't probably lead anywhere. True is, though, that learning the first ship in a line of development - at least PROPERLY - gives a good basis on every ship that comes after.

Your sentence confused me. xD

bingo, his pig not being a goat doesn't make the pig wrong, just him an idiot for shouting at his pig "WHY ARENT YOU A GOAT!" (Source)

-- Ralph King-Griffin, about deranged people playing EVE ONLINE
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#13 - 2014-01-05 16:46:44 UTC
Angelica Dreamstar wrote:
That confused me.

We're not talking about a lvl4 and I agree, trying that in a kestrel won't probably lead anywhere. True is, though, that learning the first ship in a line of development - at least PROPERLY - gives a good basis on every ship that comes after.

Your sentence confused me. xD


Sorry, I keep writing the last thing I thought rather than the process that lead me there

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Angelica Dreamstar
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2014-01-05 16:51:11 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Angelica Dreamstar wrote:
That confused me.

We're not talking about a lvl4 and I agree, trying that in a kestrel won't probably lead anywhere. True is, though, that learning the first ship in a line of development - at least PROPERLY - gives a good basis on every ship that comes after.

Your sentence confused me. xD


Sorry, I keep writing the last thing I thought rather than the process that lead me there
Let's figure out how we can help her.

I don't know the mission. I know things can be tough in a frigate, though.

Options are ... increasing the range via ammo, tracking computers, rigs, tracking enhancers.
Doing less damage is still a better option than getting blown up.

Problem with orbiting isn't actually the ship that gets orbited, but all the others.


Another option is to use a mwd and kiting them, going for increased range again while staying outside of their range.
That's mostly my preferred method anyway.


Or ... bigger ship .............

bingo, his pig not being a goat doesn't make the pig wrong, just him an idiot for shouting at his pig "WHY ARENT YOU A GOAT!" (Source)

-- Ralph King-Griffin, about deranged people playing EVE ONLINE
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#15 - 2014-01-05 17:00:14 UTC
Well without knowing skills its difficult.

Missiles allow for the range to become less of a factor (better effective range and tracking with sufficient support skills.)

MWD makes you a btter target than a AB though.

Id concentrate on making sure your tank was up to snuff first.

Fill the EM hole with a nice EM Ward module, enhance with an Adaptive Invul and an extender. Depending on how much cap you have and how many med slots enhance with a AB.

Lows start with a Damage Control, and if using missiles a Ballistic control module

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Domanique Altares
Rifterlings
#16 - 2014-01-05 17:56:21 UTC
It's also going to be helpful to people if you post the fit you were using. The first time I ran this arc, I did all of it in a Rifter except the final fight where I had to move into a Thrasher for the added DPS. It's quite likely you can handle it in the Merlin if you're fit right and flying right.
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#17 - 2014-01-05 20:06:27 UTC
This thread is full of so many helpful responses, and its located in GD?!?!!?



This is indeed a disturbing universe.....

Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?
Vaju Enki
Secular Wisdom
#18 - 2014-01-05 20:24:24 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Cruiser is recommended for those with less experience and skills, although a destroyer is also capable of completing the entire epic arc (running it on a fairly new character I was able to complete all of it in a Cormorant, my second time overall).


The first time i played EvE Online, i also did it on a Cormorant.

The Tears Must Flow
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#19 - 2014-01-05 22:15:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Hasikan Miallok
Assault Frigates are great for this sort of mission though there are a few serious downsides for newer players:
- you need racial frigate to V, preferably in a couple of races
- they cost almost as much as a battle-cruiser
- instead of changing hardeners for different missions you swap out entire ships so you need a few to choose from
Jill Chastot
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#20 - 2014-01-05 22:37:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Jill Chastot
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Adela Talvanen wrote:

Thanks for the tip.

SOOO, I have two choices in the two classes.

For the cheap and cheerful Destroyer the Corax, or the Cormorant

And for the more capable but more expensive Cruiser the Caracal or the Moa.

Then for either I have the fittings. I'm currently skilled in both hybrid rails, and small misslies.


. Raven
Kestrel ---> Corax ---> Caracal ---> Drake ---<
. Tengu

If you like missiles

Amarr if you dont lol


Fixed

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