Intergalactic Summit

God's will is partly mystery to us. We dont know why He put us to cultivate this, mortal realm, but it was us, amarrian people who were most deserving to carry the burden to be the torch carrier. Later, other people has joined our ranks, but we amarrians must not forget hardships of our ancestors when they fought to gain His favor. If we let ourselves to astray from this, God's path, Im sure He will find the people more deserving to carry the title "chosen people".

I cannot surely say why it is so, but it is clearly God's will, and Im not one to question it.

What makes the Gallente feel that everyone has a right to freedom, support or the other trappings of a liberal capitalist social welfare State such as the Federation?

From where does this "right" come from? Who provides this right? Is it a really a right if I can take it from you?

I assure you, the ideals of the Gallente Federation are as laughable as those of the ignorantly faithful of Amarr when it comes right down to it. Belief in things that do not exist, rights for the Gallente, God for the Amarr.

There is no power outside that you wield with your own hand. That you control with your own words. That you guide with your own deeds. There are no "rights", only that which you can defend from, or take from, others. Everything else is foolish idealistic and squishy hooey.

Only the pwoer wielded by the individual matters.

Look at this soft language, "deserving", "freedom", "equallity"? Deserved from whom, exactly? Rights? What rights, when I can fly over, kill you and thousands of your Gallente kin in your cute little starship, and walk away happily having deprived you of all your cherished "rights"? Eqality? I assure you, we are not all equal and no amount of soft talk will make it so.

It's the fatal flaw of Democracy and Liberalism and those who support it, that mankind is somehow owed anything from anyone, or that they inherantly posess "rights" that are sacrosanct and inviolate, that noble claims of rights or freedoms or morals is in any way a shield against basic human nature and the harsh nature of reality, he with the biggest gun decides what your "rights" are and are not.

That container full of Morphite, you don't have a "right" to keep it any more than you have a "right" to keep breathing, if I'm stronger or better, I can and will take it from you. If my collective is stronger or more dedicated than your collective, I can and will take it from you. All the percieved assumed "rights" in the verse will do nothing to stop it. The entire idea of "rights" is a logical fallacy of the highest order.

You can mock the Amarrians quaint magic invisble sky wizard backwardness all you like, I'll join you in fact, it's about time the Amarrians graduated from barbarism and ignorance if you ask me. The time for religious cults has come and gone.

But if you think the hippy liberal ideals of the Gallente are somehow superior, or based in anything more real or logical than the Amarrians ideas fo faith, you're fooling yourself. Your "rights" are just as much a belief based of faith as anything the Amarr believe in, easily disproved at the wrong end of a laser turret.

The longer I live, the more I think Jade Constantine might have been right in his ideals, if not his actions.

I think he's awfully close to being an anti-Gallentean bigot and a Blood Raider but, that's beside the point.

If you want to flex your muscles and try to bully others with your theory of brute force, might makes right, rule by the gun Cononach then by all means, hop in a ship and do your best. This isn't about your simplistic idelogy, nor about the Federation, however. I want to know, preferably from a religious Amarrian, why their deity needs pitiful humans to do his bidding.

No one requires other people to grant them rights and freedoms, it is there for every person to demand as a birthright, and quite frankly who are you to deny them?

So you can stomp about and throw your weight until you realise there's always someone with a bigger ship, and several of them willing to stop you.




Except you're talking in a very predetermined and unrealistic scenario, you can try to take it, chances are you'll find someone who resists and shoots back. The Universe doesn't roll over and die for a bully with a mouth and a set of guns to go with his ego.




Well there's two whole empires that believe very much in the joy of Freedom, and a third that while focusing more on a meritocracy still holds to a principle that you make your way to the top on what you do, not who you are, which gives everyone an equal chance.

Still you're welcome to take on everyone who believes in Freedom, you have that right, just bear in mind they have the right to fire back and possibly even remove your testicles and use them to plug your mouth shut.




Pretty sure Jade is a she, I haven't checked myself but I'll take her word for it.

Perhaps.

Perhaps I no longer count amongst the Faithful, as I once did.

Yet, even so, I still fight for my brothers and friends of the CVA every day. Loyalty is, for me, far stronger a motivator than faith.

Even here, in my offhand way, I defend my Amarrians brothers their ways, backwards though they may be, as only equally silly and vapid when compared to the soft and squishy foolishness of the haughty Gallenteans and their precious "rights".

Either way, if you find me to be a heretic "Lord" Vaari, I live in Zieriert, on the edge of Providence.

Come get me.

Hey why let a little thing like reading comprehension and sticking on-topic destroy an opportunity to take a swipe at the Federation? It's nice to see that CVA has lowered its recruiting standards to allow the mentally challenged into its ranks. I guess they were getting low on numbers after getting run out of Providence last time, huh?

Which would be funny....if I wasn't in CVA 5 years ago, amirite?

By all means, enjoy your oh so new and different topic. Thats your "right" after all.

Do you have a newsletter I could subscribe to?



Make me, you pompous little nothing. I don;t answer to you, and never will.

The premises are wrong. God doesn't need humans, neither Amarr nor anyone else. Still, he created us and the cosmos in his overflowing goodness. Then, humans are free to choose actions and this means there are some choosing in accordance with God's plan and his creation and those that act against His plan. By nature those that act in accordance with his plan will 'go out and do his (dirty) work' not because He needs them, but because they choose to do so, because they see that this is best for them.

As to why he doesn't make those wrongdoers do the right thing by 'snapping His divine fingers' - what do you think why he gave humans the freedom to choose? Just to take it away as soon as they abuse it? Of course not.

From a purely logical perspective, the Amarr Empire make utterly terrible servants to their god. They've spawned at least three major heresies that threaten the foundations of their faith (the Sani Sabik, the Equilibrium of Man and Sansha's Nation) and their abhorent behaviour has utterly and forever lost them even the slightest chance of spreading their faith to either the Minmatar or the various peoples of the Federation. The State, their only major ally - and even then only through the mediation of a schismatic pseudoheretical satellite state - does not accept their faith either, allying with them only out of convenience. In the last half-millenium, they've lost nearly a third of their territory to the Minmatar and the Khanid, and risked losing more to the Blood Raiders.

Their current Empress is an affront to the very laws this deity laid down about cloning royal flesh.

For a race that's become basically a byword for religion, the Amarr are awful divine servants.