EVE General Discussion

So what activity are you involved in while your untanked shitship is getting ganked? (You in the general sense. I have no clue if you've been personally ganked or not.)

Reading a book?

Playing WoW?

Watching Netflix/Pr0n/TV?

It's obviously not defending yourselves. Hell, you could have done that before you left station. A proper and visible shield tank will spare you many, many ganks. If someone sees you with an invuln running, orbiting a roid, and your buddy without one sitting still, guess who they drop the Catalysts on the majority of the time?

That's only for those filthy people interested in profit.

Absolutely no doubt.

If I see a miner running one, I'll let you know. I have no doubt that it's happened, and will happen again.

IF the loot you get from wrecks of those are t2 and up you get alot of isk from that.

Like... a mineral faucet?

That's not trolling. That's perfectly reasonable if you're a rich high sec dweller, living off the fat of the land with little to worry about by way of getting shot down on a daily basis.

Now, if you're looking for something more affordable to knock around with on the weekend, this might serve you better:

[Procurer, Cheap Tanked Procurer]
Mining Laser Upgrade II
Damage Control II

Medium Shield Extender II
Limited Adaptive Invulnerability Field I
Limited Adaptive Invulnerability Field I
Thermic Dissipation Field II

Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I

Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I

Hobgoblin I x5

So you want to change freighters? That was the whole point of this Eve is PvE thing? I've hauled all kinds of stuff in my Crane. Never had a problem. I am guessing that a lot of freighter pilots get along just fine. But something tells me that you are very angry and passionate about this crusade which leads me to guess that you have had problems that other freighter pilots have not. Am I off the mark here?

Some of the sentiments of this bit I agree with, although I think you are basing it from a flawed viewpoint. No reasonable person has an issue with people doing PVE. Many people PVE to fund PVP: some to fund gametime, some because they haven't been exposed to PVP yet. It's not a dirty habit (unless you really, really enjoy it :P) Not even going to get into the what PVP is argument, because I believe it all is (even mining), but it's a matter of perspective and if you don't see that side there's really no point trying to pursuade.

Where people have an issue is continued and entrenched solo gameplay, for a variety of reasons. Some people join the game, mission run/manufacture/trade etc and do everything possible - which is sensible from their point of view - to mitigate risk. They never leave highsec. They don't leave NPC corps, or roll solo corps. They don't talk to anyone or engage in co-operative activity, other than to grind ISK. At the point they do lose something, which they probably should have realised was inevitable, some come running to the forums to complain. They feel they should be allowed to continue playing their preferred gamestyle without any interruption or interraction. Then they demand tweaks to gameplay, at which point they are ridiculed and subject to a spew of abuse.

I dislike the abusive side of it, because in all honesty a lot are just ignorant. It could perhaps be addressed by improvements in the NPE. But having said that, CCP can't be expected to reverse the expectations of players from games where PVE is central.

Not all of the people who terrorise people whining over ganks/want to play a pure PVE game are doing it out of spite (altho granted, some are). Some may genuinely believe the person needs to be informed they are playing an MMO. In Eve, it has a detrimental effect upon others when certain groups farm massive amounts of ISK without any risk, whilst those who participate more broadly knowingly expose themselves to risk. Some elements are genuinely concerned about the types of people who play, get ganked or hassled, then run away/quit. Not about the person, but probably more about how to get those types into the 'spirit' of things and not take those losses so hard. I think some are also concerned that if CCP caves in to the demands of an element who want a more PVE-centric game, that it will become one.

Having said that, you could argue that some personalities enjoy the intricacy of MMOs as a release valve and shouldn't be forced to play with others. But they enter the game knowing there are risks, at some point they will be reminded there are other people with different goals and mentalities out there.

The argument re freighters and ganking ties into this tbh. If you do everything solo or without research/common sense, (ie running freighters rammed with ISK through Niarja during peak times on a weekend, excessively pimp fitting mission ships, jumping into lowsec unscouted) isn't the lesson deserved to a degree? To qualify that, ganking does seem excessive at the moment, as I've spoke to a couple of people recently who have had empty jump freighters on npc alts ganked in highsec. Perhaps a tweak is needed, but in the meantime, just apply moderate amounts of common sense.

Heh...