EVE General Discussion

You use an in absurdium statement there, I notice. TEST will never be a Hyperpower


And you and I have very different visions for how MMOs will operate in ten or fifteen years time.

Maybe this isnt true about you, but I dont see the status quo of "Take Quest, Kill Mob, Take Loot, Hand In" last much longer.

If you dont want to see a universe where every character is a player and not a line of text, then, well I kind feel sorry for you.

Me, hell call me a big elitist moron if you want, I would love a world where endless NPCs dont exist to throw themselves at me like robots. Immersion? I guess thats not really important to your vision for the game.

Me, Id be more than happy to play with 15,000 people if it meant the unrealistic non-speaking, non-interactable, easy to "kill" rats were real folk.

I dont think the game will die. I think those who want constant easy mode and no evolution of gaming will move else where and be replaced by those of us who have wanted a game like this since we first started playing Elite in 1984 and were disappointed it wasnt enough like the novella.

These rules are what make the game the way it is. You either like the way it is or you don't ******* play. I don't know how to make it any simpler.



Bullshit! If you logon to the game you are agreeing to be a willing participant in a game with other people with other motivations and agendas. You can't willingly agree to that participation and then set conditions to it. Again, that's asinine.



There is absolutely NO need to reduce Concord response or to implement any other changes that you might happen to pull out of your ass. You either play the game there is or you don''t ******* play.

I'm a hi-sec mission runner and I am fed up with everyone coming to these forums to demand changes to suit their AND ONLY THEIR style of play. The mechanics are what they are and there is nothing wrong with them. Stop crying about how something is unfair to you. If you feel bullied, molested, griefed, mistreated, victimized, helpless, vulnerable, or any other adjective that I don't care about then play something else.

You either play the game that is here or you don't.

This one doesn't want to out-think them. He wants to change the rules so he doesn't have to think.

Katran has expressed the root of the Eve economy very well.

ISK is CREATED by payouts from NPC entities. It is then transferred to miners in return for ore/minerals (*), which are used to build items (*)' which are exchanged (*) to PVP'rs, where the items eventually are destroyed.

In this very simplified description, every asterisk is a point at which ISK is removed from the economy forever through fees and/or taxes. Note that these points do not equal the amount being injected, resulting in the ability to accumulate wealth, and, eventually, inflation.

PVP is not ISK destruction. It is merely the mechanism that creates demand for a particular item within the market, and results in the movement of ISK from your wallet into the wallet of the builder, minus what they pay in fees and material costs to their suppliers.

Even moon mining does not create ISK. It is part of a builder's supply chain, with the price set by what the market is willing to pay for the final product (module or hull).

The ability to pay for something, IN EVERY CASE, originates with an NPC giving ISK to a player in return for a PVE action.

Your late

I can give you some decent fittings and advice on avoiding being ganked if its proving too hard for you to think of it yourself.

If you are already aware of these, there are plenty of anti-gank channels you can join to spread intel and join fleets hunting gankers.


Or you could start a blog teaching new players how to avoid ganks.


Or you could demand the Gods bless you and curse the pagans.


Your call

If you don't think the game is fun, play another ******* game.
Your little crusade to destroy one of the core essences of the game is absolutely pathetic. You completely fail to understand that risk from other players, in any activity of the game, is one of the main reasons the game is so successful and why most of its players enjoy it.

tl;dr: gtfo

You don't jsut get a like, you get a "/thread" tag too, because that's the end of the thread lol.

I will never ever understand that mentality. Why are they playing a game if they don't want to play a game. I wouldn't be playing EVE if I didn't enjoy overcoming resistance, which is what i do when i PVE, even in high sec by finding a way to make my Machariels and Nightmares unattractive to gankers while still being viable for isk making.

PvP is very much a fact of life in Eve regardless of whether or not you choose to take part in some aspects of it. Killing other people is only a small part of PvP, pretty much everything you do is either PvP or geared towards PvP.

Ganking is very much PvP, and making life difficult for the gankers is also PvP. It's not vs in the sense of pistols at dawn but it's certainly vs in that if you fly a well tanked procuror or skiff while mining that they'll probably go and kill someone else. Mission runners are completely capable of shooting back, although a PvE fitted ship is going to lose against a PvP fitted ship 99% of the time so GTFO is a good idea.

Fun itself is subjective, you don't find being ganked fun, that's understandable. The gankers find it to be funny as hell, also understandable. The moment you accept that people can, and will blow you up for fun, and that you can prevent them from doing so by outwitting them or generally making it hard for them to do so, is where the fun really starts.

Instead of lobbying CCP for the reduction of Concord response times, why don't the "carebears" actually do something and take matters into their own hands? Crimewatch and Wardecs are powerful tools, for example people use the suspect timer mechanic to hunt down MTU baiters or bait with the MTU itself. It's really very easy to not get ganked, it requires some knowledge of game mechanics and not doing anything stupid.

There's also plenty of advice from gankers themselves on how ganking works and the costs involved, and how to make it more difficult for them to do it. They know that there will always be easy targets, they're also willing to tell you how not to be one because they know the majority of the easy targets will ignore the advice and whine on the forums instead.

The constant whining for making highsec safer makes me ashamed to be classed as a carebear, like Kimmi and Jenn I accept Eve for what it is and plan accordingly. It's plenty safe if people pay attention and take minor precautions, it's unsafe if you choose to play this game blindfolded to the fact that the entire game, including highsec is in fact a PvP zone, that you agreed to participate in at the character selection screen, and again on undock.

EVERYTHING in EVE is a pvp activity. As a PVE player, I succeed because i understand this. Apparently you don't, which sounds like a personal problem to me.

We'll have to agree to disagree until only players are responsible for paying out on any and all completed PvE missions.