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James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#201 - 2014-01-05 05:39:48 UTC
Katran Luftschreck wrote:
Every ISK generated in this game ultimately comes from three places: Mission rewards, rat bounties, and sales to NPC merchants (read: tags and general goods). That's it, nothing else.

Wrong.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#202 - 2014-01-05 05:43:05 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
On that note, buffing freighters to have more EHP isn't going to have the effect these whiners think it would have.
Freighter EHP increases -> freighter pilots get more confident -> freighter pilots carry more expensive cargo -> ganking becomes profitable again.

Increase freighter ehp towards arbitrarily high values

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Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
#203 - 2014-01-05 06:13:36 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Wrong.


Citation needed. Your shallow pretentiousness alone just doesn't cut it, sorry.

http://youtu.be/t0q2F8NsYQ0
Arrunca
Quator Finance
#204 - 2014-01-05 06:53:06 UTC
Meyr wrote:
Sorry - I don't count ganking as PVP - it's a PK activity, pure and simple.

That stated, what else do you term as 'PVP paying for itself?'


So EVE is not a PVP game because you have a different opinion about what it describes compared to the rest of the world? Well, enjoy PVE then, while the rest of us enjoy doing the same under the nave PVP...
Arrunca
Quator Finance
#205 - 2014-01-05 06:53:56 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Katran Luftschreck wrote:
Every ISK generated in this game ultimately comes from three places: Mission rewards, rat bounties, and sales to NPC merchants (read: tags and general goods). That's it, nothing else.

Wrong.


Yeah, because ship Insurance is not like one of the bigges isk injectors in the game!
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#206 - 2014-01-05 06:54:02 UTC
Arrunca wrote:
Meyr wrote:
Sorry - I don't count ganking as PVP - it's a PK activity, pure and simple.

That stated, what else do you term as 'PVP paying for itself?'

So EVE is not a PVP game because you have a different opinion about what it describes compared to the rest of the world? Well, enjoy PVE then, while the rest of us enjoy doing the same under the nave PVP...

everything is pve

ok, i'll enjoy some pve with hostiles

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James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#207 - 2014-01-05 07:00:16 UTC
Katran Luftschreck wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Wrong.


Citation needed. Your shallow pretentiousness alone just doesn't cut it, sorry.

You're missing incursion rewards (doesn't fall under mission rewards as it's a separate mechanic), new characters entering the game (admittedly a very small faucet), and insurance.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#208 - 2014-01-05 11:44:06 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Katran Luftschreck wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Wrong.


Citation needed. Your shallow pretentiousness alone just doesn't cut it, sorry.

You're missing incursion rewards (doesn't fall under mission rewards as it's a separate mechanic), new characters entering the game (admittedly a very small faucet), and insurance.


.. and xmas presents

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Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#209 - 2014-01-05 12:02:29 UTC
Starting any thread with

"I know Ill get flamed for saying this, but I dont care.."

Means

You do care


You cared enough to feel the need to be passive/aggressive about it

You should probably call your mother once in a while and say "I love you mom"

You will feel much much better, trust me

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Plug in Baby
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#210 - 2014-01-05 13:21:17 UTC
The problem is that Eve is not short of people who build to replace losses and fund PVP.

Eve is short of content creators, the people that destroy things.

The people who do nothing but 'bear inflate the economy and do nothing to better the game for anyone else.

This is not a forum alt, this is a forum main.
Pandora Barzane
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#211 - 2014-01-05 13:46:12 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Katran Luftschreck wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Wrong.


Citation needed. Your shallow pretentiousness alone just doesn't cut it, sorry.

You're missing incursion rewards (doesn't fall under mission rewards as it's a separate mechanic), new characters entering the game (admittedly a very small faucet), and insurance.



wich is pvp income ofcourse.
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#212 - 2014-01-05 13:58:43 UTC
Pandora Barzane wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Katran Luftschreck wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Wrong.


Citation needed. Your shallow pretentiousness alone just doesn't cut it, sorry.

You're missing incursion rewards (doesn't fall under mission rewards as it's a separate mechanic), new characters entering the game (admittedly a very small faucet), and insurance.



wich is pvp income ofcourse.


Running incursions often does involve PVP, and succeeding at that can increase your payout rate.
Insurance is of course also almost always present in combat PVP encounters.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Pandora Barzane
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#213 - 2014-01-05 14:08:58 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Pandora Barzane wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Katran Luftschreck wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Wrong.


Citation needed. Your shallow pretentiousness alone just doesn't cut it, sorry.

You're missing incursion rewards (doesn't fall under mission rewards as it's a separate mechanic), new characters entering the game (admittedly a very small faucet), and insurance.



wich is pvp income ofcourse.


Running incursions often does involve PVP, and succeeding at that can increase your payout rate.
Insurance is of course also almost always present in combat PVP encounters.


funny that, I thought incursions are about killing NPC's. Can you show me an incursion wich doesnt involve PVE?
RAIN Arthie
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#214 - 2014-01-05 14:16:10 UTC
Meyr wrote:
Yes, I know some of you are going to threaten revenge for (insert whatever you want here).

Too bad.

EVE Online is PVE. PVP is what DRIVES EVE Online. The desire for fights, space, vengeance, and much more, but it's all based upon PVE.

You can disagree all you want to, but, at its core, PVE is what enables all of the PVP.

Wether it's mining (yes, all of you nullsec hardcases, MOON MINING IS STILL MINING - it's just the ultimate in AFK PVE), manufacturing, ratting, Faction Warfare, trading (yes, at the highest levels, trading is PVP, but not to 99% of the PEOPLE doing it), or mission-running, PVE is what EVE is based upon.

NO ONE can pay for their PVP by only doing PVP. Your SRP is paid for by corp or alliance taxes, which, ultimately, are generated by PVE. Your Faction Warfare ships are paid for by the PVE portion of FW, not just by 'pew-pew.'

Just because someone doesn't want to PVP doesn't mean they're "doing it wrong." Quite the contrary - they're doing it how they want to. They're paying their subscription fee to CCP, and getting something they enjoy in return.

THAT, ladies and gentlemen, is the ultimate sandbox. Stop your moronic, short-sighted, and stupidly egotistical sneering at those evil, lazy, cowardly, and dirty mission-runners - who do you think just bought that X-Type X-Large Shield Booster from you? Some idiot looking to pad your killboard in the next fleet fight? Of course not.

Some people want to 'pew-pew!' Nothing wrong with that. Others just want to build things. Great - someone has to make new stuff to replace the losses, or supply new doctrines.

Others just want to have the shiniest, most ISK-per-module 'blinged-out' "ain't no rat gonna kill this" mission-running ship. It's a goal - just like that top-end Bougatti you'll never even come close to pushing to its limits.

So, stating that EVE is only a 'harsh, cold, dangerous place' is, at best, myopic - it merely goes to show how self-centered you are. I've made great friends of people I'll probably never meet in person. I've spent time enjoying solo play, and I've been one more name in local during huge fleet fights.

EVE is what you make of it - but it's all paid for by PVE. No PVE, no PVP.

Yes, it really is that simple.



I couldn't agree more.
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#215 - 2014-01-05 14:18:33 UTC
EVE is EvE

The clue is in the name.

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Kimmi Chan
Tastes Like Purple
#216 - 2014-01-05 16:13:04 UTC
Meyr wrote:
Kimmi Chan wrote:
Meyr wrote:
How about, as I've proposed several times, reducing all Freighter's cargo capacity to the point where a T2 cargohold expander will return them to their current capacity, and fit them with one low slot, 40 CPU, and 2 PG?

You DO understand that freighter pilots need SOME form of options in fitting their ships? Should they CHOOSE to gimp their ship's cargo capacity in return for increased survivability, who are you to protest it?

If it makes YOUR 'fun' more difficult, awwww, poor baby, too bad. That's what you gankers have been telling hauler pilots for years.

You want the killmail, I want to reach my destination intact. If my choice in how I fit my ship means you can't log in knowing exactly what it's going to take to kill me, that's not my problem. If a DC II makes my ship too hard for you to kill, too bad.

HTFU, as you gankers like to tell everyone else!


So you want to change freighters? That was the whole point of this Eve is PvE thing? I've hauled all kinds of stuff in my Crane. Never had a problem. I am guessing that a lot of freighter pilots get along just fine. But something tells me that you are very angry and passionate about this crusade which leads me to guess that you have had problems that other freighter pilots have not. Am I off the mark here?


Nope. Haven't lost one yet. I simply hate the fact that freighter pilots have zero choice in regards to the survivability of their ship.


So you want to be able to PVP in a freighter.

Why not just haul all your stuff in a Rokh? You won't be able to carry as much but few people are going to try to gank you because they are looking for freighters and industrials.

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James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#217 - 2014-01-05 16:19:21 UTC
Pandora Barzane wrote:
funny that, I thought incursions are about killing NPC's. Can you show me an incursion wich doesnt involve PVE?

When did I say it didn't involve PVE?
Do you know what contesting a site is?

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#218 - 2014-01-05 16:20:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Ramona McCandless
Meyr wrote:

Nope. (MEYR MEANT "YES" HERE IN ORDER FOR THE ANSWER THATS GIVEN TO MAKE SENSE - Edit) Haven't lost one yet. I simply hate the fact that freighter pilots have zero choice in regards to the survivability of their ship.


They do

Pilot properly. Apart from that, you dont need any.

Ever wonder why elephants, hippos and whales dont have armour?

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Meyr
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
OnlyFleets.
#219 - 2014-01-05 16:42:34 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Meyr wrote:

Nope. (MEYR MEANT "YES" HERE IN ORDER FOR THE ANSWER THATS GIVEN TO MAKE SENSE - Edit) Haven't lost one yet. I simply hate the fact that freighter pilots have zero choice in regards to the survivability of their ship.


They do

Pilot properly. Apart from that, you dont need any.

Ever wonder why elephants, hippos and whales dont have armour?


Elephants - tusks, and the ability to use their mass as a weapon. Oh, yeah, and REALLY thick, hard skin.

Hippos - teeth, mass, and really thick skin. And, a really cranky attitude. Look up some facts before exposing your ignorance for the world to see and mock you for. Hippos kill more people than any other wild animal in the areas where they live.

Whales - size, and really thick skin. Some even have teeth.
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#220 - 2014-01-05 16:44:12 UTC
Meyr wrote:


Elephants - their mass.... REALLY thick, hard skin.

Hippos - ... mass, and really thick skin.

Whales - size, and really thick skin.



DO YOU SEE A ******* LINK YOU DULLARD

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann