EVE General Discussion

Yes, I know some of you are going to threaten revenge for (insert whatever you want here).

Too bad.

EVE Online is PVE. PVP is what DRIVES EVE Online. The desire for fights, space, vengeance, and much more, but it's all based upon PVE.

You can disagree all you want to, but, at its core, PVE is what enables all of the PVP.

Wether it's mining (yes, all of you nullsec hardcases, MOON MINING IS STILL MINING - it's just the ultimate in AFK PVE), manufacturing, ratting, Faction Warfare, trading (yes, at the highest levels, trading is PVP, but not to 99% of the PEOPLE doing it), or mission-running, PVE is what EVE is based upon.

NO ONE can pay for their PVP by only doing PVP. Your SRP is paid for by corp or alliance taxes, which, ultimately, are generated by PVE. Your Faction Warfare ships are paid for by the PVE portion of FW, not just by 'pew-pew.'

Just because someone doesn't want to PVP doesn't mean they're "doing it wrong." Quite the contrary - they're doing it how they want to. They're paying their subscription fee to CCP, and getting something they enjoy in return.

THAT, ladies and gentlemen, is the ultimate sandbox. Stop your moronic, short-sighted, and stupidly egotistical sneering at those evil, lazy, cowardly, and dirty mission-runners - who do you think just bought that X-Type X-Large Shield Booster from you? Some idiot looking to pad your killboard in the next fleet fight? Of course not.

Some people want to 'pew-pew!' Nothing wrong with that. Others just want to build things. Great - someone has to make new stuff to replace the losses, or supply new doctrines.

Others just want to have the shiniest, most ISK-per-module 'blinged-out' "ain't no rat gonna kill this" mission-running ship. It's a goal - just like that top-end Bougatti you'll never even come close to pushing to its limits.

So, stating that EVE is only a 'harsh, cold, dangerous place' is, at best, myopic - it merely goes to show how self-centered you are. I've made great friends of people I'll probably never meet in person. I've spent time enjoying solo play, and I've been one more name in local during huge fleet fights.

EVE is what you make of it - but it's all paid for by PVE. No PVE, no PVP.

Yes, it really is that simple.

Pretty stupid rant. Stupid as in, you say a lot of stupid stuff, and you're railing against a strawman.



Demonstrably false. Many pure-pvp activities are highly profitable and fund themselves.


Very few people say this. Rather, people get criticized for wanting/demanding/expecting to be immune from pvp, or sequestered from it entirely. There's a reason this game doesn't have instanced dungeons.


Nothing else in your rant supports this point. The existence of friends does not make Eve any less dangerous.

Eve isn't about anything, just a bunch of stuff happening one thing after another.

Also, stealth Ayn Rand thread.

That's great that you have your own definitions of stuff that are unique and special for you. Don't expect anyone to care.

Semantics the semantics to be semantics that are semantics to semantics the semantics is semantics.

And, here we have an excellent example of tunnel-vision, along with a really bad case of "wow, did you get that one wrong."

Please, go back, engage your brain, spend 30 seconds thinking, and then start typing.

The results are far more interesting if you do things in that order.

PVE doesn't enable PVP, if there would be no miners, production and rats people would fly around in rookie frigs and shoot with civil guns which magically are always there. So in it's core, at it's basis Eve is PVP game, everything else is just a fluff to amuse variety of player gameplay tastes.

People need to get it through their heads that EVE is both, not one or the other. The mere fact that thousand of people engage in both is proof enough. If EVE were just pvp, I wouldn't be mining and ratting right now.

The mining and ratting you are doing is economic pvp.


The OP is a standard "hurt feelings" post you see from people who feel unappreciated or looked down on. There are many in the PVE community with this kind of inferiority complex going on. They go into so much denial about EVE being a pvp game that they can't tell up from down now.

You can see how eve is a pvp game by looking at other games. In other games it doesn't matter how many npcs you kill or how much gold you get etc because the aquisition or loss of things doesn't affect anyone but you. In EVe and games like it, everything you do is in competition with others people in some way or another.

Ever npc you or I kill in null sec gives us isk, and our gaining that isk lowers the value of EVERY single other isk in EVE. The rocks you mine lower the value of all the other rocks everyone else hasi minded or will mine. Every Gist or Pith or Corpus mod i pull out of a plex lowers the value of the deadspace stuff people are selling in empire.

PVE is a mechanism that enables EVE. PVP is the CORE of EVE.

I understand the viewpoint, I just think maybe you've stopped one step short - how do 0.0 residents PAY for those implants and launchers?

Personally, I mission & manufacture in hisec, along with ratting & exploration in nullsec. I know of no nullsec resident that doesn't either PLEX or PVE.

PLEX, by the way, for the person a few posts previous, has a market value set by what those who PVE will pay for it in return for continued play/training time, not by people who 'pew-pew' - those people SELL them to pay for new PVP ships. Unless you're an idiot, no one pays for game time by buying PLEX.