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Bizarrely, the rest of us are all getting a great deal of experience and background on how to do the whole CSM thing It's a learning process for sure, but rest assured that should Trebor depart, the whole thing wouldn't go down in flames.

It beter be good

Reign? Reign? That's hardly even a drizzle, let alone a rain. More like a "faint misting".

MDD

As I've pointed a few times, people leaving the game rather than bothering to have their woes adressed is CCP's problem, not ours.

It is CCP who risk something if they fail to communicate effectively with their customers, and it is them who think that a meritocratic election system systematically ignored by 85% of their customers is the best way to engage the masses and adress their issues before they leave... which I disagree.

If they were engaged enough to vote, they would be less likely to leave. So in that aspect, the CSM doesn't serves to gain nor retain the average player, which is neither engaged enough to cope with EVE's flaws nor find a voice at the CSM to voice his woes before CCP.

"Huh, EVE suxx, I quit" is CCP's issue to resolve, and it can't be resolved by expecting that the exact same guy will do: "Oh dear, EVE is in a unpleasant state, so I will start a campaign to have a candidate elected as CSM so he can say to CCP that EVE needs improvements, and i wil do it because I totally love this game and I would rather do that than just play something else".

Call me blunt, but if I wanted to know what my customers think, I would invite them to a private chat via mail, poll them and give them a meaningful reward for their time. I also would do that a few hundred times each semester and across a demographically meaningful section of the population as determined from my data on unique users.

But hey, that's me. I don't feel a need to brag about how precious is my algorythm to democratically and accurately represent the little minority who bothers to take my elections seriously...

And CCP have addresed this by giving people the opportunity to be represented (or run as reps themselves).

The "If you loved me, you'd know what I want" line is laughably passive-aggressive when it comes from a teenager in their first relationship. From a (presumably) adult such as yourself it's simply pathetic.

Leaving aside the fact that after 3 years of your futile whining, you're still here.


Maybe think about your own communication deficit?

And yet, you're still here.

Gonna turn the light back on you lot.

OK, so they came late but you HAVE managed to see the minutes before the next summit (coming soon)

What in the minutes would you like to see elaborated on? Iterated on? Dropped?

If we didn't represent you well last time let us know what you would like next time.

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Do tell us some more about how you'll complain and moan and whine, but won't expend 1% of that time or effort on actually trying to do anything useful, and how it's somebody else's fault that you're not getting what you want because they should magically know because they're psychic or something.

I got Bad News for you, buttercup: If you want to get some **** shovelled, you're going to have to roll your sleeves up and get your hands dirty. Standing around and wrinkling your nose at the smell means that you've done nothing but suck farts.

1. Leave current pve alone or expand apon it without going into pvp like crap.
2. while I must admit ccp has given drones some love its not enough, give us more!!

After reading through these long-delayed minutes, I'm still wondering what was the holdup? Where are the landmines and dropping bombs? I'm even wondering if this version is as written originally, or is this a much-less redacted version since it is being released after the expansion it references? It seems to go into great detail about the features we have already received which isn't common in these minutes. It read as familiar - yet strange - because it was so overdue.

Here's a few of my initial reactions:

p.20 S4 EVE Economy - One of my favorite sections. I def. agree with the CSM here. I think a ton of players would appreciate more frequent updates on the health and growth of the economy as a whole as this affects all players. With graphs. Lots of graphs. Even if all we get is graphs. Give us graphs. The revelation that lots of "experienced players are leaving and re-entering," the game was particularly interesting as was the planned introduction of three-character training.

p.25 S5 EVE Economy Pt 2, Player Retention - This will probably be one of the more-controversial sections. How do you accurately measure player engagement? I would agree that you can assign values to certain activities and then run correlation models with long-term subscription rates and compare what most long-term players do/have done. But its a tough sell because there has to be numerous subsets of players who are also long-term and who will not have engaged in some/many/all of those activities too. They may represent a minority, but their value cannot be disregarded obviously and knowing what has kept them playing is equally useful info.

p.28 S6 ART - "new assets that will be included for winter." "First was a facelift for one of EVE's ugliest ships" "Next up were models for a new player weapon system" As these minutes were released post-expansion, if these changes are already on Tranquility, this section could have been edited to name these items. I spent too much time trying to figure out what was being discussed. I'm pretty sure the module was the RHML but which ship is being referenced? My opinion of which ship is ugliest didn't help much. All this guessing made me remember that the Absolution was gifted a Harbinger hull this release and I think my blood pressure briefly spiked when I revisited the blocked memory of one less Prophecy hull in game.

I'd also like to mention that I too remain anti-launcher and will forever mourn the old log-in screen. That thing needs its cinematic backdrop back. If you could move the features of the launcher to the old log-in screen, add an expansion cinematic, and overlay it all with the scrollbar and side info from CCP's Twitch feed, you'd have something visually stunning, useful, and engaging.

p.34 S8 Future Plans - "If all goes well, 2015 may well be the most exciting year in EVE's history." Tease much?

p.38-39 S12 TGoD - I'm opposed to requiring cross-training of all racial drone skills for ship masteries. I'll never train Gallente or Minnie Drones to V so ship mastery, for me, is forever out of reach. But I've got it easy. What about the poor Gallente folks who are being forced to train Amarr drones for their ship masteries?

p.45 S14 T Kuromako - Without adjusting the AI on npc mission rats at all, if the spawn triggers and auto-agressions were randomized it would minimize predictability and make mission guides useless. It seems to me that a simple change like this could start boiling the frog while CCP develops a more-engaging pvp-oriented rat type.

p.49 S17 Reasonable Things - Probably one of the more-useful and insightful sections. Full of goodness.

#5 I really like the idea of abandoned POS's being removable covertly. I can't wait for more real estate to open up in the busiest systems. People shouldn't be able to anchor unpowered towers at dozens of hi sec moons and hold them indefinately.

#7 I could write 4000 words just on my dislike of d-scan alone. It's like playing Asteroids on an ATARI in a PS4 world. Not only do I think it should auto-cycle, I think it should display in it's own resizable window appearing more like sonar or radar.

#12 Recoverable implants from corpses sounds great. Miners beware! It will incentivize podding, decrease afk everything, increase the clone isk sink, and probably lower the price of implants overall, thus further incentivizing pvp.

#14 I'd like just to have the ability to drag a bookmark to a jetcan and have it remain in my bookmarks. Currently if I do this, it's gone from my bookmarks when all I usually want to do is share it.

p.53 S18 PVE - I agree with Ripard here. With PVE running most-efficiently with fittings far removed from the fittings most-efficient in PVP, the game itself is setting up one group of players to be bait for another. We can do better than that. And I too have often wondered what happens to the damsel. We don't need tons of resources devoted to new missions, but how hard would it be to grow the list by even 1-2 a year?

Very interesting statements by Affinity and Rise here: "preferred activities and sociality were not correlated, and the most significant predictor of whether a new player was retained was the activities she engaged in."

And: "Those that follow the PvE/Builder path retain at a higher rate."

I can't answer why more PvP players don't PvE, but in the reverse case, I suspect the clone timer is a larger factor than implant cost. Most high-sec indy players are space rich. They don't care much about losing implants. They care more about devoting an entire 24 hrs to a clone that isn't beneficial to their primary playstyle. More of those guys would probably roam low sec for a few hrs at the end of a long day mining if it weren't for a next-day committment too imo.

Ok. I'm tired. And I ran out of characters. So this will have to do. lol

YK