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What's the future of WiS?
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Jhagiti Tyran
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#41 - 2011-11-08 06:08:46 UTC
Nick Bete wrote:
Ladie Harlot wrote:
Tristan North wrote:
There's a significant part of players asking for related-WiS content/info

There really aren't very many but if you honestly think there's a huge number of people out there who are desperate for Dolly Dressup and the microtransaction super store then get all of them together and cancel your accounts. If enough of you do this it will do a lot more to convince CCP than posting endless threads about it. I suspect that the number of cancellations will comfortably fit in the usual monthly churn rate.


The universe does not revolve around you. Believe it or not, there are others who play Eve for different reasons than you. That means not everyone sits on a TS server making racist jokes while watching little red squares vanish from the zoomed out UI. Some people would like to interact with other players in a different manner. To me WiS done right would be a great ADDITION to the game to be able to meet up with other players outside the ships, to be able to sell them goods and services, to plot and spy on them (I know plotting and spying WITHIN THE GAME is a foreign concept to a goon but, bear with me). If you and your like-minded friends had an iota of maturity or common reasoning abilities you'd understand that CCP's expansion of the game to make it meet with what they've said all along was their vision; to create a total, immersive, sci-fi simulation would not have to change your play. If CCP had done it right and not rushed it out the door, you'd be able to do your grinding and botting thing without ever seeing a station interior. Sadly, they didn't do it right and made CQ mandatory which would have failed even if it had been totally bug free because there clearly is a segment of players who don't want it.

You and your like don't speak for the majority. Don't imagine yourself omniscient. You could at least be respectful and not call names or deride those of us who want a more immersive game experience. Luckily for you lot, and for CCP, most people aren't knee-jerk reactionaries. Most of us who do want WiS/CQ fixed and expanded are rational adults, not crying kids who scream and bully to get our way. We'll simply get fed up and go, taking our money with us.

If you continue to deny CCP the ability to expand Eve beyond it's current VERY niche appeal or to find other ways of growing revenues beyond subscription fees you'll be left to shoot each other in a stagnant and struggling MMO with decreasing numbers to support continued development. Your arrogance and myopia are breathtaking. Hope you enjoy what you've got while it lasts.


You and others keep claiming that FiS supporters are not in the majority but the fact that CCP **** canned staff and put it on hold "indefinitely" strongly supports otherwise.

I know you and the others are mad because you feel your Barbies are being taken away, that must really hurt just thinking about it. Why dont you go and have a few deep breaths, maybe walk around your captains quarters a little bit and look in the mirror and change your clothes. Maybe one day you can walk around the space bar to.
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation
The Honda Accord
#42 - 2011-11-08 06:16:52 UTC
Jhagiti Tyran wrote:
Nick Bete wrote:
Ladie Harlot wrote:
Tristan North wrote:
There's a significant part of players asking for related-WiS content/info

There really aren't very many but if you honestly think there's a huge number of people out there who are desperate for Dolly Dressup and the microtransaction super store then get all of them together and cancel your accounts. If enough of you do this it will do a lot more to convince CCP than posting endless threads about it. I suspect that the number of cancellations will comfortably fit in the usual monthly churn rate.


The universe does not revolve around you. Believe it or not, there are others who play Eve for different reasons than you. That means not everyone sits on a TS server making racist jokes while watching little red squares vanish from the zoomed out UI. Some people would like to interact with other players in a different manner. To me WiS done right would be a great ADDITION to the game to be able to meet up with other players outside the ships, to be able to sell them goods and services, to plot and spy on them (I know plotting and spying WITHIN THE GAME is a foreign concept to a goon but, bear with me). If you and your like-minded friends had an iota of maturity or common reasoning abilities you'd understand that CCP's expansion of the game to make it meet with what they've said all along was their vision; to create a total, immersive, sci-fi simulation would not have to change your play. If CCP had done it right and not rushed it out the door, you'd be able to do your grinding and botting thing without ever seeing a station interior. Sadly, they didn't do it right and made CQ mandatory which would have failed even if it had been totally bug free because there clearly is a segment of players who don't want it.

You and your like don't speak for the majority. Don't imagine yourself omniscient. You could at least be respectful and not call names or deride those of us who want a more immersive game experience. Luckily for you lot, and for CCP, most people aren't knee-jerk reactionaries. Most of us who do want WiS/CQ fixed and expanded are rational adults, not crying kids who scream and bully to get our way. We'll simply get fed up and go, taking our money with us.

If you continue to deny CCP the ability to expand Eve beyond it's current VERY niche appeal or to find other ways of growing revenues beyond subscription fees you'll be left to shoot each other in a stagnant and struggling MMO with decreasing numbers to support continued development. Your arrogance and myopia are breathtaking. Hope you enjoy what you've got while it lasts.


You and others keep claiming that FiS supporters are not in the majority but the fact that CCP **** canned staff and put it on hold "indefinitely" strongly supports otherwise.

I know you and the others are mad because you feel your Barbies are being taken away, that must really hurt just thinking about it. Why dont you go and have a few deep breaths, maybe walk around your captains quarters a little bit and look in the mirror and change your clothes. Maybe one day you can walk around the space bar to.


So CCP is infallible! Wow! No one is saying a majority of Eve is more interested in FiS. But that isn't the same as no one in Eve wants WiS. And you miss that Eve is never going to grow much more until the expand Eve to include WIS.

And CCP **** canned folks dedicated to FiS too so that argument is bogus. You need a more developed argument than bla bla bla space barbie bla bla bla NeX....

Issler
Tristan North
The Scope
#43 - 2011-11-08 06:27:58 UTC
Jhagiti Tyran wrote:


You and others keep claiming that FiS supporters are not in the majority but the fact that CCP **** canned staff and put it on hold "indefinitely" strongly supports otherwise.

I know you and the others are mad because you feel your Barbies are being taken away, that must really hurt just thinking about it. Why dont you go and have a few deep breaths, maybe walk around your captains quarters a little bit and look in the mirror and change your clothes. Maybe one day you can walk around the space bar to.

FiS is supported by WiS supporters.
Barbiephobic anti-WiS trolls are a minority.
Valkris Arkayne
Perkone
Caldari State
#44 - 2011-11-08 06:31:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Valkris Arkayne
Jhagiti Tyran wrote:
...I know you and the others are mad because you feel your Barbies are being taken away, that must really hurt just thinking about it...


What 'hurts' is watching all the missed opportunites to expand EVE. It's not just 'space barbies', it's a number of different missteps that are keeping EVE a niche game with a very limited scope and small player-base.

The core Space ship gameplay is awesome and it drew us all in. CCP planned to expand EVE to include a detailed ground game, but then they decided to put it on console (?). They planned to create a social game with WiS, and then they delivered half a product and polluted it with $70 monocles (!?). It's the missed opportunities that 'hurt' because they affect all of us.

All I'm seeking is expanding the already awesome game so CCP grows. MORE to do. MORE that matters. MORE that appeals to a larger audience. Remember that the WiS crowd was just as involved in the protests and statue-shooting as the FiS crowd were, and the issue is much deeper than just a matter of 'avatar vs no-avatar' - it's about expanding the game and creating more content to keep people paying/playing.
Handsome Hussein
#45 - 2011-11-08 06:37:14 UTC
I hope the future of WiS is that I never have to use it. All you station RPers 1 on 1 bullshit can have a grand old time, I want no part of it.

Leaves only the fresh scent of pine.
Valkris Arkayne
Perkone
Caldari State
#46 - 2011-11-08 06:39:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Valkris Arkayne
Handsome Hussein wrote:
I hope the future of WiS is that I never have to use it. All you station RPers 1 on 1 bullshit can have a grand old time, I want no part of it.


Fair enough. I've never been to 0.0 space. Lol

In a true sandbox, all gameplay styles should be optional.
Handsome Hussein
#47 - 2011-11-08 06:40:45 UTC
Valkris Arkayne wrote:
Fair enough. I've never been to 0.0 space. Lol

I find low-sec to be far more interesting.

Leaves only the fresh scent of pine.
Jhagiti Tyran
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#48 - 2011-11-08 07:51:58 UTC
Why does expansion of EVE =WiS?

EVE doesn't need WiS to grow as a game, if CCP introduced one Apocrypha quality patch per year and iterated a little bit on existing content and tweaked a few balance issues CCP could gain new players and keep older players happy to. Within a few years EVE could even hit the 1m subs mark.

A space Barbie fashion parade is never going to attract the same volumes of players that the core game can. Maybe a worthwhile WiS with combat, both PvE and PvP and other types of fun game play would spark interest but a few mini games, dressing up and all that other crap is never going to bring masses of players in
Gevlin
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#49 - 2011-11-08 08:04:20 UTC
I was able to find an interview that cleared up the WIS future

http://www.pcgamer.com/2011/10/21/interview-eve-onlines-kristoffer-touborg/2/

to the looks of it The amount of work that has been FIS for the last 2 years will be the same amount of people working on WIS

So my guess is Establisments will be 1 year away may be on a small scale.

Someday I will have the time to play. For now it is mining afk in High sec. In Cheap ships
Luh Windan
green fish hat bang bang
#50 - 2011-11-08 11:19:24 UTC
It has taken CCP 2-3 years to make a nice character portrait rendering tool and one captains quarters

From here they need to generate actual game content that is compelling (and it's all very well everyone crying here going "we want WiS" - you will all be outraged when it's not want you want when they release it) and I imagine a considerable amount of 3d content for inside stations, ships etc.

If they manage to release anything that any one actually wants in 1 year I would be very surprised. In two years they might be able to release something that isn't causing outrage across a majority of the players.
Lors Dornick
Kallisti Industries
#51 - 2011-11-08 12:17:52 UTC
The development of WiS is tied directly to WoD.

They will continue to 'tinker' with the engine, they will continue to 'tinker' with some content but they will not invest any serious amount of resources into WiS until they know that they can reuse that work in WoD.

And currently they don't have the cashflow needed to take WoD out of the freezer.

CCP Greyscale: As to starbases, we agree it's pretty terrible, but we don't want to delay the entire release just for this one factor.
Aidan Brooder
Dynasphere Ltd.
#52 - 2011-11-08 12:47:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Aidan Brooder
Lors Dornick wrote:
The development of WiS is tied directly to WoD.

They will continue to 'tinker' with the engine, they will continue to 'tinker' with some content but they will not invest any serious amount of resources into WiS until they know that they can reuse that work in WoD.

And currently they don't have the cashflow needed to take WoD out of the freezer.


Yup, unfortunately that is the reason. But it is MUCH easier to sell the: "We've heard you FiS players" story.
Some are so deluded - or megalomaniac -, they even believe that crap, not even realizing that they lost their precious "18 months" to WoD, not to WiS. WiS could have been made possible with other engines - though the licensing might be inconvenient with the resulting "entangled product".

Anyway, since CCP likely cannot afford to write off the development costs accumulated so far, let us see what happens.

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Ladie Harlot
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#53 - 2011-11-08 14:47:16 UTC
Aidan Brooder wrote:
Some are so deluded - or megalomaniac -, they even believe that crap, not even realizing that they lost their precious "18 months" to WoD, not to WiS. .

I think you missed the part of the whole ordeal where WiS is tied to WoD because they decided to make a brand new engine for their twilight mmo and then decided that Eve players were dumb enough to not care that we were the testbed for it. If you want to be mad at somebody there is your target--not the people who decided they had had enough of Eve getting neglected so that roleplayers could have pants.

The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet.
Tristan North
The Scope
#54 - 2011-11-08 16:36:25 UTC
Jhagiti Tyran wrote:
Why does expansion of EVE =WiS?

EVE doesn't need WiS to grow as a game, if CCP introduced one Apocrypha quality patch per year and iterated a little bit on existing content and tweaked a few balance issues CCP could gain new players and keep older players happy to. Within a few years EVE could even hit the 1m subs mark.

A space Barbie fashion parade is never going to attract the same volumes of players that the core game can. Maybe a worthwhile WiS with combat, both PvE and PvP and other types of fun game play would spark interest but a few mini games, dressing up and all that other crap is never going to bring masses of players in

WiS is the way to expand the player base, it offer a different kind of gameplay.
No-one is interessed in a Barbie fashion parade, improve your arguments. Even now in EvE there are a lot of things you can do that don't involve PvP/PvE.
Zions Child
Higashikata Industries
#55 - 2011-11-08 16:56:56 UTC
Eh, I like FiS, and it needs a bit of work recently regarding balance. Hopefully this winter expansion will do a bit to make the game a bit more balanced. As for WiS, a lot of interest was generated in the game due to the character creator, there was quite a bit more publicity than there usually is. I don't think they should have pursued it as heavy handedly as they did though. They'll probably start work on the WoD MMO and WiS with a good deal of effort if they get enough cash-flow to increase their staff a good deal beyond the pre-layoff levels.

As long as CCP doesn't sacrifice working on making the spaceships aspect entertaining, and doesn't divert as many resources as they have over the previous year and a half, I'm fine. Let them work on whatever they wish to work on as long as the space game gets consistently better. (PI could use a good rework though, honestly, clicky line nonsense was not what I had in mind when I though PI).

Also, was the hate generated by the release of Incarna or the release of the abominable NeX store, that makes regular micro transactions look sensible?
Aidan Brooder
Dynasphere Ltd.
#56 - 2011-11-08 17:07:53 UTC
Ladie Harlot wrote:
Aidan Brooder wrote:
Some are so deluded - or megalomaniac -, they even believe that crap, not even realizing that they lost their precious "18 months" to WoD, not to WiS. .

I think you missed the part of the whole ordeal where WiS is tied to WoD because they decided to make a brand new engine for their twilight mmo and then decided that Eve players were dumb enough to not care that we were the testbed for it. If you want to be mad at somebody there is your target--not the people who decided they had had enough of Eve getting neglected so that roleplayers could have pants.


I think you missed the part of my posting where I stated "WiS could have been made using any engine etc".
What I said and what you say is not that different. They did not work on EVE at all except for the stale cookie we got now.
The difference between us is: I want WiS as a feature and new FiS features. You only want FiS features.

The dumb thing I was refering to is that some FiS-only players think they have like won against the WiS/FiS players. Which is not the case. We have all lost 18 months. Now, as a "space barbie" I'm also offended that most of the love after all that time of waiting goes to the 0-Sec Blue Boys.

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Diomedes Calypso
Aetolian Armada
#57 - 2011-11-08 17:08:27 UTC
future of walking in stations is I beleive:

using the ps3 probably within a year

using the pc.. probably not until processors and video cards take a few big leaps.. 4 years out probably until they can process room fulls of the detail level they have for 1 pilot at a time in the cq

.
Aidan Brooder
Dynasphere Ltd.
#58 - 2011-11-08 17:16:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Aidan Brooder
Diomedes Calypso wrote:
future of walking in stations is I beleive:

using the ps3 probably within a year

using the pc.. probably not until processors and video cards take a few big leaps.. 4 years out probably until they can process room fulls of the detail level they have for 1 pilot at a time in the cq


Hm, aside from that I agree we will not see anything new for WiS for the next gazillion years...
I sometimes really wonder what machines some people use to play EVE.

"My graphic card was burning!"
"1 FPS!"

It ran smoothly from day one on all of my machines. Which are simple HP Media computers, not High-End Alienware dedicated gaming computers.

I would not believe that e.g. the corp meeting room they planned limited to a certain number of people would have been such a big issue.

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Diomedes Calypso
Aetolian Armada
#59 - 2011-11-08 17:33:54 UTC
Aidan Brooder wrote:
Diomedes Calypso wrote:
future of walking in stations is I beleive:

using the ps3 probably within a year

using the pc.. probably not until processors and video cards take a few big leaps.. 4 years out probably until they can process room fulls of the detail level they have for 1 pilot at a time in the cq


Hm, aside from that I agree we will not see anything new for WiS for the next gazillion years...
I sometimes really wonder what machines some people use to play EVE.

"My graphic card was burning!"
"1 FPS!"

It ran smoothly from day one on all of my machines. Which are simple HP Media computers, not High-End Alienware dedicated gaming computers.

I would not believe that e.g. the corp meeting room they planned limited to a certain number of people would have been such a big issue.


I think most people can run the cq on a moderate level machine within 3 years old. The question is how many other applications can you run on your computer at the same time without any drop in the other programs peformance while sitting (or standing) in a locked room with only one character shaded and animated etc.

As there isn't much to do and generally a station would be a good place to kick it while wating for a fleet to form and playing another game.. it presents issues, and uncesscaary ones.

The thougth of a computer abel to render 6 or 7 characters in the same room, jumpting up and down with facial expressions changing like they do while mosing around laconically in a single room is a huge leap forward in processing power than it already takes to render the one character.

But like you said, you don't disagree .

Also, I believe that there were some issues of specific pieces of high end hardware having more trouble than other pieces of higher end hardware. That goes far deeper into to computing than I have a firm understanding of ..but I know that my hp printers interfaces with some programs better than others..etc.

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Jacob cirth
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#60 - 2011-11-08 17:51:54 UTC
Tristan North wrote:
In the last months CCP gave us a lot of confusing info about the future of WiS.
I think that the players (also just-FiS supporters) deserve at least to know exactly what's going on.


The future of WiS is the same as it always was, only now it's not taking the rest of EVE with it.