Science & Industry

Does this post relate to the new dev blog, or just coincidence?

Hi Brock Nelson,

Thank you for the interesting chart!

The blog which was mentioned earlier in this thread was probably this one about Player owned Customs Offices. After that the market saw quite an increase in PI products. Today we saw another devblog about Starbases and slight changes to the fuel consumption.

The unusual high costs for Gallente POS is a result of high racial isotope price. Some people say that the Goonswarm campaign to kill ice harvesters in Gallente Space is the reason for that.

This also suggests CCP Mittens... err Mittens knew about these upcoming changes and is abusing his CSM access to information.

Large scale operators aren't the only ones using faction towers; to small scale users, the reduced fuel costs are a tremendous advantage that would be obliterated by this change. Increasing fuel costs completely annihilates any improvements the rest of the fuel system otherwise gives to me.

R.A.M.s consume odd fractions of themselves by being damaged in manufacturing jobs; why can't fuel consumption work similarly?

This is the second time Starbases have been looked at recently; making the experience worse for a portion of the end users when redesigning the system, without the explicit intent to alter game balance, in order to accommodate other end users doesn't really accomplish what you set out to do.

Just because you're paranoid - doesn't mean they're NOT out to get you....

The comment about faction towers cought my eye, so I had to toss in my two cents. For the faction towers they may change them so they take longer cycles to compensate.

If I am correct, each POS module as long as it is online has it's own individual timer. ( I need confirmation on this ) As I suspect with moon mining, the cycles are based off of the time that you activated it to start producing. The tower's cycles do not dictate the individual modules, merely if the modules can be onlined or not. So the tower cycle could be extended under these conditions without any disruption to the production processes with faction towers vs standard towers.

Why not make it so faction towers skip fuel requirements every X cycles? I don't remember (and can't be arsed to look right now) the exact fuel saving of faction towers, so this is just pulling numbers out of my ass. Perhaps the tier 1 faction towers could skip one cycle in 24 while the tier 2 towers skip one cycle every 12. They'd tick the same way, just every X cycles the fuel would not be consumed.

Last I checked, the last time I ran a POS with moon miners, the modules ARE all tied to the tower's tick. POS mods, like harvesters and such, all cycle at the exact same time (and what time it is can be found out by taking fuel out of the POS so it sends a message about being low on fuel). So, yes, POS mods do all tick with the POS's clock cycle.

I'm assuming this is still the same since there haven't been any patch notes that I've seen saying they've changed it (especially since there's no reason). In fact, it'd be way more of a pain if they did do that, since it'd make it impossible to run a moon miner straight into a reactor because they would tick at different times.

why were faction towers removed in the first place? Im a bit out of the pos loop.

I am liking these simplified fuel changes though.