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-Offer Cancelled- Over 2 Billions ISKs worth of Assets Offered as Collateral or Trade. -Cancelled-

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Oiras Isimazu
State War Academy
Caldari State
#1 - 2014-01-02 17:26:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Oiras Isimazu
Original Title: Over 2 Billions ISKs worth of Assets Offered as Collateral or Trade.

Updated to: 2014.01.09 22:38
Cancelled. -Over 2 Billions ISKs worth of Assets Offered as Collateral or Trade. -Offer Cancelled.

Then switched to: 2014.01.10 15:34
-Offer Cancelled- Over 2 Billions ISKs worth of Assets Offered as Collateral or Trade. -Cancelled-
Since the end is switched to extension marks.


Most of it is still Sparsed over many Pod Pilots Ownerships but it can be transferred before transaction.

What I am now trying to find is information on the available opportunities out there.



I am willing to pay to get the info and to take the time to review it and come up with an offer.



Can you please give me a link or a post, or EVE mail me any contact info?

I also accept other references from which I could communicate with you...



Thank you for your time.


.. More Details ...
Ave Kathrina
My Ass Is On Fire
#2 - 2014-01-03 02:18:44 UTC
No need to thank us until you put a bit more effort into explaining what it actually is you're looking for ?
I've done some really stupid shit in this game.
Oiras Isimazu
State War Academy
Caldari State
#3 - 2014-01-03 15:41:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Oiras Isimazu
Ave Kathrina wrote:
No need to thank us until you put a bit more effort into explaining what it actually is you're looking for ?

... Offered as Collateral or Trade. .. for :

1. Trade (with the usual or specific percentage, or delivery clauses and terms).

or

2. Loan (as I already know others are offering ingame items assets as collateral for loans).


Excuse me for the redundancy in the definition of the Thread title but since it is expandable on...
Here are more security in relation to the thread title, the subject matter, and their related clauses.

I can add more as appropriate, required, or if the opportunity arise and exists.


Please keep in mind that I also like and appreciate to have or calculate the "rate of return on my investment" as well.


I, of course, have APIs available and offer other procedures to achieve this goal or objectives.
I also plan to start accomplishing the practical aspect of the terms completion in around February 2014 or after.
Anders Madeveda
Usque Ad Mortem
#4 - 2014-01-05 17:46:20 UTC
Oiras Isimazu wrote:
Ave Kathrina wrote:
No need to thank us until you put a bit more effort into explaining what it actually is you're looking for ?

... Offered as Collateral or Trade. .. for :

1. Trade (with the usual or specific percentage, or delivery clauses and terms).

or

2. Loan (as I already know others are offering ingame items assets as collateral for loans).


Excuse me for the redundancy in the definition of the Thread title but since it is expandable on...
Here are more security in relation to the thread title, the subject matter, and their related clauses.

I can add more as appropriate, required, or if the opportunity arise and exists.


Please keep in mind that I also like and appreciate to have or calculate the "rate of return on my investment" as well.


I, of course, have APIs available and offer other procedures to achieve this goal or objectives.
I also plan to start accomplishing the practical aspect of the terms completion in around February 2014 or after.



I am still unclear as to what you are wanting, I'm sure its a language translation issue but are you asking for a loan and offering items as collateral? Or are you looking to trade your items for other items? If you are looking for a loan please respond with how much, the purpose and terms you are offering. If looking to trade please list what you have and what you want.
Oiras Isimazu
State War Academy
Caldari State
#5 - 2014-01-05 18:03:56 UTC
Anders Madeveda wrote:

I am still unclear as to what you are wanting, I'm sure its a language translation issue but are you asking for a loan and offering items as collateral? Or are you looking to trade your items for other items? If you are looking for a loan please respond with how much, the purpose and terms you are offering. If looking to trade please list what you have and what you want.


A language issue says who?

If you are unclear, I rather deal with parties that are more clear.

When in doubt, don't.

1.
It is clear that I offered items as Collateral for a Loan the amount of which loan has to be of lesser value.
The purpose is to get ingame ISK and terms are that the lenders keeps the collateral if repayment terms defaults.
We'd have to make arrangement on the terms of repayment, whether 1 month or more and interests schedules.
(I would prefer to deal with this privately than to list what I have and what I want in this channel.)
I can also offer transport depending on my transports costs.

2.
As for Trade, I would prefer to deal with this privately than to list what I have and what I want in this channel.
I offered API to be able to verify that.
I can also offer transport depending on my transports costs.
Wafflehead
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2014-01-05 18:53:07 UTC
Oiras Isimazu wrote:
Anders Madeveda wrote:

I am still unclear as to what you are wanting, I'm sure its a language translation issue but are you asking for a loan and offering items as collateral? Or are you looking to trade your items for other items? If you are looking for a loan please respond with how much, the purpose and terms you are offering. If looking to trade please list what you have and what you want.


A language issue says who?

If you are unclear, I rather deal with parties that are more clear.

When in doubt, don't.

1.
It is clear that I offered items as Collateral for a Loan the amount of which loan has to be of lesser value.
The purpose is to get ingame ISK and terms are that the lenders keeps the collateral if repayment terms defaults.
We'd have to make arrangement on the terms of repayment, whether 1 month or more and interests schedules.
(I would prefer to deal with this privately than to list what I have and what I want in this channel.)
I can also offer transport depending on my transports costs.

2.
As for Trade, I would prefer to deal with this privately than to list what I have and what I want in this channel.
I offered API to be able to verify that.
I can also offer transport depending on my transports costs.


Your original post is unclear.

If its a loan..
It is unclear the exact value/size of the loan
It is unclear the exact terms of the loan (Duration, % Interest, Terms).
It is unclear the exact details of the collateral (Amount, Items? Ships?).
You are suppose to list the details of the loan so that potential investors can choose if they wish to invest.

If its a trade..
Then it belongs in Sell Orders and not Market Discussions.
Ficti0n
Job Center Plus
#7 - 2014-01-05 23:31:24 UTC
This doesn't make sense. I have no idea what you're after/saying.
Ty Frisco
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#8 - 2014-01-06 02:42:38 UTC
I think he's asking how collateral is done. Does the borrower trade items for isk, to the lender, or is the "loan" from the contract system used. I don't think he's asking specifics.

Sorry, I don't have an answer for your question Oiras.
Anders Madeveda
Usque Ad Mortem
#9 - 2014-01-06 05:05:03 UTC
Oiras Isimazu wrote:
Anders Madeveda wrote:

I am still unclear as to what you are wanting, I'm sure its a language translation issue but are you asking for a loan and offering items as collateral? Or are you looking to trade your items for other items? If you are looking for a loan please respond with how much, the purpose and terms you are offering. If looking to trade please list what you have and what you want.


A language issue says who?

If you are unclear, I rather deal with parties that are more clear.

When in doubt, don't.

1.
It is clear that I offered items as Collateral for a Loan the amount of which loan has to be of lesser value.
The purpose is to get ingame ISK and terms are that the lenders keeps the collateral if repayment terms defaults.
We'd have to make arrangement on the terms of repayment, whether 1 month or more and interests schedules.
(I would prefer to deal with this privately than to list what I have and what I want in this channel.)
I can also offer transport depending on my transports costs.

2.
As for Trade, I would prefer to deal with this privately than to list what I have and what I want in this channel.
I offered API to be able to verify that.
I can also offer transport depending on my transports costs.


Apparently you find it offensive that not a single person on this post understands what your wanting so I will give an example of the typical loan request....

Loan Requester (You): "I am seeking a secured loan for X,XXX,XXX,XXXisk, I have collateral valued at Y,YYY,YYY,YYY (typically 110% of the Jita Buy price of the items), I will need the loan for "Z" Months and I am willing to pay X% Interest., the collateral I am providing is _____________________________."

Regarding your request to deal with the exact nature of the collateral privately will just slow up your process, no lender wants to have to talk to you to find out you are offering BPC's or some other intangibly worthless item. Post here what you are willing to offer as collateral so the prospective lenders can see if you even pass the sniff test of viability. Other examples abound just read the vast majority of other loan request posts and you will see the way it is done.
Oiras Isimazu
State War Academy
Caldari State
#10 - 2014-01-06 15:56:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Oiras Isimazu
Also, keep in mind that it is possible for my negotiation costs and efforts to negotiate to raise.

That it will be less worthwhile for me to seek transaction if those costs are above my margin of profit.

That it will be more efficient to either avoid negotiating, transacting, or even getting referrals for that.

I didn't have the time to read everything yet.
It is however obvious to me that I already have overdone the offer due to time.
It is also obvious that no-one who replied is interested except in getting more details they want.

I might have a better offer in 3 to 6 months, then if not, 6 to 12 months.


Wafflehead wrote:
...
Your original post is unclear.

If its a loan..
It is unclear the exact value/size of the loan
It is unclear the exact terms of the loan (Duration, % Interest, Terms).
It is unclear the exact details of the collateral (Amount, Items? Ships?).
You are suppose to list the details of the loan so that potential investors can choose if they wish to invest.

If its a trade..
Then it belongs in Sell Orders and not Market Discussions.

I can provide API(s), multiple APIs or try to move it to 1 API .
If that is not possible, we maybe better to cancel negotiations.
I really don't want to post details on value/size of the loan except for general facts in the public forums.
The Collaterals are Items and ships, and the value is approximately 2b ISK which can be corroborated by API.

Why should I be supposed to list details of the loan or of a loan, or of negotiation of a loan in public.
I want this to be done privately via private messages or EVE mails.
If the potential investors want to publish it after the fact , that is their own business.
I will not and don't have to impede on those potential investors competition.
If would be unfair to their healthy competition if I were to do so.

We can engage in unhealthy deals, and that is one way to do it (sick).

If it is a trade, then it may be linked or referred to in the Sell Orders.
The reason it is in Market Discussions is because it is related to market discussions.
Not because potential investors or investments scouts try to obligate me into diminished results (+lost opportunities).

(I just got approved for a loan by the way, they only need my signature, brb...)

Ficti0n wrote:
This doesn't make sense. I have no idea what you're after/saying.
I made an offer, as is stated on the Thread Title. You certainly don't have to take it, and I don't have to obligate you for it.
I have (and keep) the right to see how you react to the offer.
I have (and keep) the right to use how you react to adjust my subsequent offers.
I have (and keep) the right to use how you react in my negotiation to demands and from your offers.

Ty Frisco wrote:
I think he's asking how collateral is done. Does the borrower trade items for isk, to the lender, or is the "loan" from the contract system used. I don't think he's asking specifics.

Sorry, I don't have an answer for your question Oiras.

You can't really "loan" from the contract system used, can you? I am not asking a question, I was making an offer, and it's still valid.

I didn't mention that it'd become invalid after that I'd trade or transact the collateral for a loan with repayment options.
It would be invalid then since the offer would have been initiated and the assets value referred would be expanded.

Anders Madeveda wrote:

...
Apparently you find it offensive that not a single person on this post understands what your wanting so I will give an example of the typical loan request....

Loan Requester (You): "I am seeking a secured loan for X,XXX,XXX,XXXisk, I have collateral valued at Y,YYY,YYY,YYY (typically 110% of the Jita Buy price of the items), I will need the loan for "Z" Months and I am willing to pay X% Interest., the collateral I am providing is _____________________________."

Regarding your request to deal with the exact nature of the collateral privately will just slow up your process, no lender wants to have to talk to you to find out you are offering BPC's or some other intangibly worthless item. Post here what you are willing to offer as collateral so the prospective lenders can see if you even pass the sniff test of viability. Other examples abound just read the vast majority of other loan request posts and you will see the way it is done.

Finally, the most sensible offer, counteroffer or feedback.

I do seek a secured loan.
I have collateral valued at 2 billion (100% of Jita Buy price of the items).
I will need the loan for "1" Month or 2 Months and I am willing to pay X% Interest.,

The collateral I am providing will be verifiable by API before agreeing on the loan transfer or finalization agreement clauses.


1.
A secured loan is a more specific type of loan than I was referring to as a loan in general by the way.

2.
(...The collaterals are valued at more than 2 billion in facts, and perhaps at under 100% Jita buy price.
They are unfortunately not all accessible by the same pod pilot character yet.
Not unless traded by myself to myself from location to location.)

3.
The interest and loan period should be negotiable.


IMPORTANT DISCLAIMER:
I am looking for offers, not for a final transaction, I do not need the funds right away.
I want to see the rates, loan periods, and other clauses to decide on the best offer(s).

I could use it to upgrade 0.0 systems or acquire rights for fuel.

Rate of return

Return on investment
flakeys
Doomheim
#11 - 2014-01-06 16:22:38 UTC  |  Edited by: flakeys
Oiras Isimazu wrote:
Also, keep in mind that it is possible for my negotiation costs and efforts to negotiate to raise.

That it will be less worthwhile for me to seek transaction if those costs are above my margin of profit.

That it will be more efficient to either avoid negotiating, transacting, or even getting referrals for that.

I didn't have the time to read everything yet.
It is however obvious to me that I already have overdone the offer due to time.
It is also obvious that no-one who replied is interested except in getting more details they want.

I might have a better offer in 3 to 6 months, then if not, 6 to 12 months.



It is also Obvious that YOUR OFFERING IS TOTALLY UNCLEAR . Change the Original Post as many have suggested and you might get Lucky .

In some verry freaky odd way the more you type to ''clear things up'' the bigger of a mess it turns in to.


Smoke less read more is the tip of the day.

We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
Oiras Isimazu
State War Academy
Caldari State
#12 - 2014-01-06 16:31:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Oiras Isimazu
flakeys wrote:
Oiras Isimazu wrote:
Also, keep in mind that it is possible for my negotiation costs and efforts to negotiate to raise.

That it will be less worthwhile for me to seek transaction if those costs are above my margin of profit.

That it will be more efficient to either avoid negotiating, transacting, or even getting referrals for that.

I didn't have the time to read everything yet.
It is however obvious to me that I already have overdone the offer due to time.
It is also obvious that no-one who replied is interested except in getting more details they want.

I might have a better offer in 3 to 6 months, then if not, 6 to 12 months.



It is also Obvious that YOUR OFFERING IS TOTALLY UNCLEAR . Change the Original Post as many have suggested and you might get Lucky .

In some verry freaky odd way the more you type to ''clear things up'' the bigger of a mess it turns in to.


Smoke less read more is the tip of the day.

I really don't smoke, neither does my character.

btw, you can verify your post time with the edit times above, and I was including your reference.

Over 30 minutes of edit work.
I do my homework by the way, you won't find me at fault on that.
I have been racking over 6 months to 2 years or read times worth easily.

Just to directly attack me that I "seem" unclear in efforts to affect negotiation results may very well do it.
However, please keep in mind that I might find beneficial to counter-attack the counter-offer.
It could be expanded as retaliatory measure to keep the business better.

(I got my new loan authorized, signed and to be done for 6 PM bank time since done before 2 PM today.)

(There are no Non-Competition Clause yet, even if that does not include or you don't want a NDA.)
Godfrey Izaaks
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2014-01-06 17:17:39 UTC
I will take you up on your offer. Contract me your collateral and I will send the isk for your loan.
Oiras Isimazu
State War Academy
Caldari State
#14 - 2014-01-06 17:19:58 UTC
Godfrey Izaaks wrote:
I will take you up on your offer. Contract me your collateral and I will send the isk for your loan.

I should be ingame shortly...
Elizabeth Norn
Nornir Research
Nornir Empire
#15 - 2014-01-06 21:34:04 UTC
Oiras Isimazu wrote:
Godfrey Izaaks wrote:
I will take you up on your offer. Contract me your collateral and I will send the isk for your loan.

I should be ingame shortly...


Make sure you're not giving your stuff away, ask for ISK in the contract Roll.

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Oiras Isimazu
State War Academy
Caldari State
#16 - 2014-01-06 22:12:23 UTC
Elizabeth Norn wrote:
Oiras Isimazu wrote:
Godfrey Izaaks wrote:
I will take you up on your offer. Contract me your collateral and I will send the isk for your loan.

I should be ingame shortly...


Make sure you're not giving your stuff away, ask for ISK in the contract Roll.

Sorry , but I won't and I won't contract it.
I was just overcharged $45 from a bank for absolutely nothing.
Elizabeth Norn
Nornir Research
Nornir Empire
#17 - 2014-01-06 23:14:59 UTC
Oiras Isimazu wrote:
Elizabeth Norn wrote:
Oiras Isimazu wrote:
Godfrey Izaaks wrote:
I will take you up on your offer. Contract me your collateral and I will send the isk for your loan.

I should be ingame shortly...


Make sure you're not giving your stuff away, ask for ISK in the contract Roll.

Sorry , but I won't and I won't contract it.
I was just overcharged $45 from a bank for absolutely nothing.


This deserves an extra helping of RollRollRoll.

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Oiras Isimazu
State War Academy
Caldari State
#18 - 2014-01-06 23:30:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Oiras Isimazu
Elizabeth Norn wrote:


This deserves an extra helping of RollRollRoll.

I don't know but if it's worth more for me not to do transactions that way then I won't.
Simple as that.

I'm glad I asked and that it helped me to detect the fraud.

I'll just sell those 2b worth of assets myself.
I already have a hauler and freighter and a pod pilot specializing in trade sales.


This is listed as of January 3, 2014 in my books, 1 day after posting the offer on here.
I also have some other reference not directly related to this post from last year (but that's more besides the point).


So, it'd have to be worth more than 1.8b worth of profit for me to even be worthwhile.
Not considering potential costs for negotiation, unless I can get recourse against overcharges.
Oiras Isimazu
State War Academy
Caldari State
#19 - 2014-01-07 23:48:53 UTC
Oiras Isimazu wrote:
Sorry , but I won't and I won't contract it.
I was just overcharged $45 from a bank for absolutely nothing.

Elizabeth Norn wrote:
This deserves an extra helping of RollRollRoll.

Luckily enough , not due to my exceptional skills +/- $43 , the charges were reversed (or so it says).
Which means that I might be able to contract the loan and not require the previous 1.8 b profit.
flakeys
Doomheim
#20 - 2014-01-08 13:32:13 UTC
Ooooowk ..... Shocked

We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
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