EVE General Discussion

Hello there i would like to bring something up which is a rather rare sight in nullsec and that is mining. getting the industrial index up seems to be much more time consuming compared to the military index. Why is that so? Well first off you can go ratting with a BS and shot rats pretty quickly which drives up the military index. We all know how it goes:
belt ratting>lvl1 anoms and then you farm till its to 5.

The industrial index however requires you to mine alot. This is even so much that even if you have like 3-4 guys mining you barely even achieve lvl1 on the index and thats with orca support etc. So im wondering if CCP once planned to release BS sized mining ships which have a higher yield then current mining barges/exhumers or if they just neglect that part of the game and leave it to the highsec people.

In my opinion the amount of m³ required to upgrade the system should be drastically reduced so that it takes the same effort (with proper skills) as with the military index. Or we need ships which have larger strip miners which can be put on BS shized mining ships that have a much higher yield to accomplish the industry index requirements.

Just think of this like that:
low/nullsec have much larger asteroids which means that ORE has to pick up the opportunity to aquire more minerals in a shorter amount of time. Or give us pirate mining barges with citadel torpedos.

All industry sucks in null space.

why not, the superskiff should have a tank like a carrier

the superprocurer will have a bit less, maybe only 90% of the tank of a carrier

ganking isn't pvp

No No No...

We want Battleship Sized Dedicated Mining ships. Imagine how many of these people loose in highsec with wars.

GLORIOUS...

Imagine the T2, it would cost like a billion+ for the hull...

good thing tech got nerfed eh

To get from 4-5 it takes like 10 people 6 hours or something.
Not to mention the most important part. All a high industry index does is encourage gankers (seriously, get an index to level 5 and watch the swarm arrive). Once you get to level 3, you can just cycle the gravs over and over again for an infinite amount of ore. Sure, if what you want to do is cherry pick the ABCs and leave the rest, then you won't be able to increase the index too far and you'll run out of rocks to mine, though realistically, if you haven't got enough players to push up the index, then I really don;t know how you have enough to run out of good ore to mine.

You lot must have very small ......... alliances ................ ;)

I think the OP is asking for the m3 needed for upgrade to be reduced or its decay to be reduced. I don't know if there's any need for a BS sized mining barge. I certainly wouldn't want the align/warp time of something like that. It's hard enough keeping Macks and Hulks alive.

With respect to null industry it's really nothing to do with CCP, it's down to player behaviour and economics. There are two kinds of people in the world my friend, those who understand economics and those who don't. If you don't buy your things where the sell prices have been optimised by thousands of traders or you don't sell your things where the buy prices have been optimised by thousands of traders, you're not a serious manufacturer.

That is why I mine in null, compress the ore and ship it to high sec to build stuff, selling such stuffs at Jita. Modules I've built will eventually make their way back into null via traders. This is the most efficient pathway in terms of opportunity cost for a lot of manufacturing in Eve.

The problem with Eve industry isn't null-sec, it's people selling their leisure time too cheaply, valuing their minerals as "free". If I could delete them from the game, I would.

Industry + null sec = pointless