EVE General Discussion

On all your characters.
And kept there permanently.

Lol I just wanted to say thank you so much for the "dev abuse" comment in the previous post... gave us a laugh.

I will respond to one of your nonsensical points.

In your previous post you stated something along the lines of 'my use of niche scenarios' and that the comparisons I made were not relevant because they were cherry picked etc etc.

They made me grin since I prefer to stay away from scenario's when it comes to discussing this topic. The Rokh thing while a scenario is certainly not niche. In fact jumping into a system and finding a ship at a gate is pretty common place in the EVE I play. However the focus of that example can squarely be placed at the large turret trying to track a small sig target at close range. That's certainly not a niche scenario and apart from missiles is a factor in every fight involving battleships at close range.

As for the cherry picking its a pretty standard method of balancing. Its easy to see patterns if you follow specific attributes from the smallest ship through the range of ships in game up to the largest. Whether its EHP, sig radius, scan resolution, capacitor amount. It therefore makes sense to compare these attributes against these patterns when looking at battleships vs other ships.

Its also useful to look at the attribute patterns at release and attribute patterns now. Review the changes to the ships (BS) in this case and see how those changes affected the different attributes and subsequently the capabilities of the ships.

I look forward to a completely nonsensical reply from you. I'm sure it will be amusing.

You really shouldn't, since they can be pretty prickly on that point.

So why are you using one as your only real (and provably false) argument? It's a niche argument because you've set up a long-range fleet ship against a close-range brawler in a 1v1 with specific rules about how each is allowed to — indeed must — dictate the engagement. This is about as niche as it gets. It tells us nothing about battleships or cruisers or engagements. It only tells us something about this very specific instance… which you got wrong anyway.

Oh, and I understand that you want to stay away from scenarios since those are actually able to provide some kind of general pattern, if you include enough of them. After all, a scenario takes all the attributes into account and put them into context — something you are loath to do since it kind of hurts your point. As mentioned, you can't compare attribute to attribute because they are meaningless in isolation. They need to be applied to a real (or at least realistic) set of scenarios, with all the environmental and situational and compound effects those scenarios entail.

…but we're not talking about balancing — we're talking about your arguments and “data”, and the immensely broad conclusions you draw from that minute data set. You've cherry picked your data to (incorrectly) come to a conclusion you want, and then you make some grand declamation based on this biased sample.

You mean, accepting the fact that battleships in general have been turned into fleet ships? Yes, that would be useful if it weren't for how it would blow your claims out of the water… which is why you don't want anyone to do this.

Compelling argument and really convincing proof.

I used to ask myself if someone could actually be this ********, and then my suspicions were confirmed when I learned that a significant number of people believe the Earth is 6,000 years old.

Grrr Tippia... amirite?

No One could. No I'm clearly not.

Yeah he did say that. No I'm clearly not.

So what? They're battleships meaning his claim that BS are supposed to be fleet ships is clearly wrong :)

Why would I prove something I didn't claim?

No, they're T2 battleships, meaning they have a specific role in mind which is likely to have little to nothing to do with the role of the T1 hull they're based on.

Sure it can, at least as much — if not more — than the Phobos.

It would be interesting to hear what infinity thinks the burst was intended for if not for fleet work.