Crime & Punishment

Heh, pot calling the kettle black. In other words, you got no room to talk.


DMC

The whole COSMOS thing is spectacularly dumb game design. CCP didn't touch it in like 6 years, it's pretty obvious no one cares... At least some of the mistake they made there weren't remade in epic arcs, so it wasn't all for nought.

The funny thing is when you all say things like "working as intended" "don't make mission runners super special!" "noob hi-sec is dangerous" you are just giving top grade ammo to the people who want to abolish all risk in hi-sec.

Look at suicide ganking. You could possibly make the argument the the risk/consequences are not quite in line between ganker and gankee, but at least they exist in some remotely significant form for both parties. The consequence of a successful gank for the gankers is losing all their ganking ships and potentially losing loot from their gank target to a 3rd party (and before anyone makes a comparison to the specific issue of this thread.... suicide ganking is certainly repeatable). They also lose security status, which will eventually make it more difficult for them to travel hi-sec and suicide gank further targets.

The gankee in this situation has fairly clear options. One, he can tank his ship to the point where the gankers would have to bring too many suicide Catalysts relative to the value of his cargo (more like 50% of his cargo from the perspective of profiting off of dropped loot form suicide ganks). He can also use Blockade runners, or DST/T1 Indy's with cloak + MWD to effectively avoid potential ganks.

Maybe the balance there isn't spot on, but there is an obvious give and take at hand.

This situation I don't think could be more different. When facing multiple characters, all in NPC corps, none of which seem to sleep, options are fairly limited. Hi-sec or not, their grand scale thievery and invasion doens't trigger concord (even though what is at stake is worth more ISK than plenty of suicide gank targets). They can't be war-dec'ed. Their time/skill/ISK investment, as stated before, is minimal. If you were to, for example, bring a buddy in an interceptor, you've effectively put the result of this one time valuable mission on a random crap shoot of your inty friend vs. the thief's.

Yes CCP wants to let the players decide how the game will be played (to varying degrees depending on where in New Eden they are). At the same time, it is still on them to create a framework in which interactions have some shred of logic and reason. Tracking Titans got nerfed, drone assist is getting the hammer, but creating a framework for remotely sensible mission specific item rules is heresy?

On that note, while I think a lot of replies have been poorly reasoned, I found the response from one of our wonderful CSM members especially embarrassing. I would hope that a player in such a position would be able to come up with a response to these issues better than what was, in effect, "HTFU carebear. People in other parts of space deserve CCP intervention to fix broken systems.... but not you!"

So you really think this is the #1 rule of Eve developmenet? Bit naive. Why does hi-sec exist then? Why do we have plexes in FW full of warpstabbed frigs? Don't you think the ease of transporting blobs across null discourages fights? What about the ability to play docking games and avoid fights? Covert ops Cloaks? Using cloak + mwd to avoid camps/suicide gankers?

You do realize that generally changes with create a logical framework with some semblance of balance will generally create conflict?

Let's be honest, this is a fairly edge case of conflict that applies to very few people. Further, fixing it in a way that makes it somewhat balanced (read: not making everything perfectly safe for a mission runner) would require some work on both method and implementation. Personally I think if this affected more people they would have dealt with it already.

I may be off base here, but i am pretty sure Jenn is a carebear. Just not the mewling, whiny crybear type like the OP.

For the record, I carebear too. I f'in love that I have to watch my six when running mish, especially COSMOS. Adds some spice to an otherwise mind-numbing soul crushing task.

People like the OP are playing the wrong game.

Yeah, but that would lower the value of the item, and it would throw out opportunities for BOTH sides of the argument.