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Fuel Pellets: Price spike is go!
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Lauren Hellfury
Super Happy Awesome Fun Times
#21 - 2011-11-07 20:07:34 UTC
Yes, nowhere in the OP did I mention Heavy Water or Liquid Ozone. Also, no-one likes Easter eggs?

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Brock Nelson
#22 - 2011-11-07 20:13:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Brock Nelson
Because Ozone and Water isn't POS Fuel

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Claire Voyant
#23 - 2011-11-07 20:29:30 UTC
Brock Nelson wrote:
Because Ozone and Water isn't POS Fuel

If I ever have some nits to pick, I will definitely call on you.
Zarak1 Kenpach1
House of Musashi
Stay Feral
#24 - 2011-11-07 22:31:51 UTC
ozone and water are in fact going to to go up because now every tower in game will consume somewhere near its maximum possible intake per cycle no matter what you run on it so, if you had a tower that has just an SMA, corp hangar and a **** ton of guns, you are now using somewhere from 30x to 1000x more heavy water. vice versa for indy towers that run heavy cpu loads and light PG.


prices on these ice products are going to skyrocket due to the exponential growth in demand for them and a supply that will not be able to keep up.
Claire Voyant
#25 - 2011-11-07 22:40:34 UTC
Zarak1 Kenpach1 wrote:
prices on these ice products are going to skyrocket due to the exponential growth in demand for them and a supply that will not be able to keep up.

To the moon, Alice, to the moon! BTW, I have about a billion units of heavy water I would like to unload.
Scrapyard Bob
EVE University
Ivy League
#26 - 2011-11-07 23:04:33 UTC
There was already a surplus of heavy water on the market (otherwise it wouldn't have been around 20 ISK/u). A bit less Liquid Ozone. But for a large tower, both of those combined was only 10% of the running cost of a tower per month (about 36M in total for a full PG/CPU load). So even if prices on them double, the cost of a tower only goes up 10%.

Overall, POS fuel costs are going to go *down* slightly (about 8% down for a large tower that previously used all of its CPU/PG). Small towers gained the most with a 20-30% reduction in operating costs. So again, even if fuel costs go up slightly, it ends up as a wash except that small towers will still end up cheaper.

(My bet for Jan 2011 is that a large tower will run about 400M/mo for fuel, maybe 450M/mo - which would be up from the traditional 300-350M/mo cost.)
Zarak1 Kenpach1
House of Musashi
Stay Feral
#27 - 2011-11-07 23:09:50 UTC
lol, there WAS a surplus in heavy water. look at the markets in most regions right now.
Claire Voyant
#28 - 2011-11-08 00:20:11 UTC
Zarak1 Kenpach1 wrote:
lol, there WAS a surplus in heavy water. look at the markets in most regions right now.

It will be back in spades. It will take more than fuel blocks to rebalance heavy water. There is twice as much in ice than liquid ozone yet liquid ozone is also used for cynos. Heavy water has been the waste product of ice processing for so long that nothing short of a huge new demand will give it enough love to flush out all those stocks. People always jump on the heavy water bandwagon thinking the downside is minimal, but it will be 20 isk per unit again soon.
Mr Kidd
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#29 - 2011-11-08 03:36:10 UTC
You guys are forgetting that faction towers just got a 25% increase in fuel usage. Additional increase in demand.

Don't ban me, bro!
Scrapyard Bob
EVE University
Ivy League
#30 - 2011-11-08 03:43:51 UTC
Mr Kidd wrote:
You guys are forgetting that faction towers just got a 25% increase in fuel usage. Additional increase in demand.



I don't see that change sticking. If they switch to a more granular fuel pellet (1/100th the proposed size, change consumption to match) then they can easily give back the fuel savings of Faction/Sov.
Poison
The KOZ Conglomerate
#31 - 2011-11-08 04:00:57 UTC
Claire Voyant wrote:
Zarak1 Kenpach1 wrote:
lol, there WAS a surplus in heavy water. look at the markets in most regions right now.

It will be back in spades. It will take more than fuel blocks to rebalance heavy water. There is twice as much in ice than liquid ozone yet liquid ozone is also used for cynos. Heavy water has been the waste product of ice processing for so long that nothing short of a huge new demand will give it enough love to flush out all those stocks. People always jump on the heavy water bandwagon thinking the downside is minimal, but it will be 20 isk per unit again soon.


Hey in the mean time, lets blow our stock and help it back to 20 :)
Via Shivon
#32 - 2011-11-08 12:25:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Via Shivon
Lauren Hellfury wrote:
Fuel costs for towers is going up with the winter expansion.

Increases vary from no change on Robotics through to 4x on liquid ozone/heavy water/coolant.

Racial topes are approximately 3.5x


Get to it minions.



thanks for showing eveybody you missed something in scool Oops


and what if they take HW and IO out of the blocks ...lots of tears Roll
Scrapyard Bob
EVE University
Ivy League
#33 - 2011-11-08 13:12:40 UTC
Poison wrote:
Hey in the mean time, lets blow our stock and help it back to 20 :)


You first! Then I'll put mine on and undercut you a bit, and we can have a 0.01 ISK war all the way back down to 20. Bear

(The main reason that there's so much 5x / 10x / 20x price increases at the moment is because HW was only 20 ISK/u, you could easily buy up a few million units for not much capital outlay, then relist it. For the same reason, nobody has bothered to do the same to Liquid Ozone, where demand really is likely to go up in hi-sec...)
Max Flipper
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#34 - 2011-11-08 15:12:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Max Flipper
Scrapyard Bob wrote:
Poison wrote:
Hey in the mean time, lets blow our stock and help it back to 20 :)


You first! Then I'll put mine on and undercut you a bit, and we can have a 0.01 ISK war all the way back down to 20. Bear

(The main reason that there's so much 5x / 10x / 20x price increases at the moment is because HW was only 20 ISK/u, you could easily buy up a few million units for not much capital outlay, then relist it. For the same reason, nobody has bothered to do the same to Liquid Ozone, where demand really is likely to go up in hi-sec...)

Did i hear someone say "Buy my LO!" Big smile

HW was pretty much priced at the "Barely worth to haul it" level. Only if the Patch causes a substantial change in the ratio between Topes/LO/HW needed we will see a big increase in Price there (at least thats my Bet).

But don't let that stop you from profiting from the "OMG THEY ARE CHANGING SOMETHING" Panic Twisted

~For the unbelievers~

  • Highsec Ice Contains about twice as much HW as it does LO.
  • The fuel Pallets will use the Same amount of LO as they do HW.
  • LO is also used for Cyno Fields
  • HW is used for the Industrial Mode of Rorquals iirc
  • LO is used in Jumpbridges


HW should still be available in abundance with Topes/LO beeing the Bottlenecks unless Rorquals start popping up everywhere or other Changes are made which we are not aware of yet.
Via Shivon
#35 - 2011-11-08 17:08:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Via Shivon
Max Flipper wrote:
Scrapyard Bob wrote:
Poison wrote:
Hey in the mean time, lets blow our stock and help it back to 20 :)


You first! Then I'll put mine on and undercut you a bit, and we can have a 0.01 ISK war all the way back down to 20. Bear

(The main reason that there's so much 5x / 10x / 20x price increases at the moment is because HW was only 20 ISK/u, you could easily buy up a few million units for not much capital outlay, then relist it. For the same reason, nobody has bothered to do the same to Liquid Ozone, where demand really is likely to go up in hi-sec...)

Did i hear someone say "Buy my LO!" Big smile

HW was pretty much priced at the "Barely worth to haul it" level. Only if the Patch causes a substantial change in the ratio between Topes/LO/HW needed we will see a big increase in Price there (at least thats my Bet).

But don't let that stop you from profiting from the "OMG THEY ARE CHANGING SOMETHING" Panic Twisted

~For the unbelievers~

  • Highsec Ice Contains about twice as much LO as it does HW.
  • The fuel Pallets will use the Same amount of LO as they do HW.
  • LO is also used for Cyno Fields
  • HW is used for the Industrial Mode of Rorquals iirc
  • LO is used in Jumpbridges


HW should still be available in abundance with Topes/LO beeing the Bottlenecks unless Rorquals start popping up everywhere or other Changes are made which we are not aware of yet.


your LO is sold allready, because when people think about what need will raise more, than LO wins not HW

last 60 min 50m pieces of LO chagend owner :D
Lauren Hellfury
Super Happy Awesome Fun Times
#36 - 2011-11-08 17:13:08 UTC
Well, with the profit already made on one thing it was only a matter of time before people realised the game had changed.

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GH0ST LEVIATHAN
Nitsujsoft Enterprises
#37 - 2011-11-08 17:18:21 UTC
LO in jita is drying up fast
Claire Voyant
#38 - 2011-11-08 17:32:36 UTC
Max Flipper wrote:
Highsec Ice Contains about twice as much LO as it does HW.

It's the other way around, but I don't think anyone was confused.
Mantra Achura
Stammtisch
#39 - 2011-11-08 19:23:27 UTC
Well, isotope demand for POS fuel is about to curb long term wise, but how about short and medium term wise?

As fuel blocks have to be build as an intermediate product, seeded on the market and stocked up in player hangars whilst POSes are stuffed with POS fuel as normal, demand will slightly go up.

What's your guestimate?
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#40 - 2011-11-08 20:13:33 UTC
it sure sucks for people with gallente towers :sun:

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