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X ATM092 - Mistakes were made in a contract, he's refusing to make good.

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Iria Ahrens
Space Perverts and Forum Pirates
#21 - 2014-01-01 00:15:59 UTC
Infinite Force wrote:


For now the only recourse I have is to put into the light my mistake, X ATM's dishonesty and soil his good name. An expensive lesson but oh well


It is not dishonest accepting a contract. Nor is his name the one getting soiled in this thread.

My choice of pronouns is based on your avatar. Even if I know what is behind the avatar.
Infinite Force
#22 - 2014-01-01 00:24:34 UTC
X ATM092 wrote:

So you manually adjusted the contract to have fewer minerals than it should have had and now you're petitioning it because this makes me somehow dishonest?


I made changes to the contract because i didnt realize that 2.1b was the hard number for mineral stacks via contract. You knew there was something up with the contract, which is probably why you accepted it and didnt email me at all about until I reached out to you.

There's no point in me responding further. You took advantage of my mistake due to a glitch in how the game handles large mineral stack. Why you think your name shouldnt be dragged in the mud for it is a bit... strange. Almost like stealing from a store because someone mistakenly gave you 2 items for 1 you would consider "your right as a customer".... pathological maybe...

Anyways, congrats on the free minerals. I am petitioning this "feature" and we shall see what CCP says.

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Careby
#23 - 2014-01-01 00:26:18 UTC
Infinite Force wrote:
...For now the only recourse I have is to put into the light my mistake, X ATM's dishonesty and soil his good name. An expensive lesson but oh well

Is that what you think you have done? Because to me it looks more like you have shown that you do not stand behind your own contracts. Everyone makes mistakes. Not everyone tries to get others to pay for them.
X ATM092
The Hatchery
RAZOR Alliance
#24 - 2014-01-01 00:44:11 UTC
There is no feature. You manually made the contract ask for too little mega, zydrine, mex, pyerite and isogen, none of which were anywhere near the 2b cap. It doesn't make sense.
mynnna
State War Academy
Caldari State
#25 - 2014-01-01 00:54:21 UTC
Besides, the 2.1b stack size limit isn't a glitch, it's exactly how the game is coded and has been coded for ten years. And frankly, someone who routinely deals with massive quantities of minerals as a compression business would claiming he "didn't know that" doesn't pass the sniff test. Cool

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joyous the
Slippery Penguin
#26 - 2014-01-01 01:03:11 UTC
Infinite Force wrote:
You took advantage of my mistake



Welcome to life, you should probably stay inside.
Infinite Force
#27 - 2014-01-01 01:05:15 UTC
mynnna wrote:
Besides, the 2.1b stack size limit isn't a glitch, it's exactly how the game is coded and has been coded for ten years. And frankly, someone who routinely deals with massive quantities of minerals as a compression business would claiming he "didn't know that" doesn't pass the sniff test. Cool


so in the end, it was a mistake due to not realizing that on a contract 2.1b was the limit. its not documented anywhere in-game, on the wiki or on any official CCP dev post I can find. If you make a contract above 2.1b anything, you arent prompted that there is an issue with the amount of items contracted, it just reverts, silently, back to 2.1b.

the amount traded was for exactly the right amount, save for the minerals needed for the extra 425mm's

Its at best vague, at worst a "hidden feature"

HROLT CEO Live Free; Die Proud

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X ATM092
The Hatchery
RAZOR Alliance
#28 - 2014-01-01 01:36:33 UTC
Infinite Force wrote:
mynnna wrote:
Besides, the 2.1b stack size limit isn't a glitch, it's exactly how the game is coded and has been coded for ten years. And frankly, someone who routinely deals with massive quantities of minerals as a compression business would claiming he "didn't know that" doesn't pass the sniff test. Cool


so in the end, it was a mistake due to not realizing that on a contract 2.1b was the limit. its not documented anywhere in-game, on the wiki or on any official CCP dev post I can find. If you make a contract above 2.1b anything, you arent prompted that there is an issue with the amount of items contracted, it just reverts, silently, back to 2.1b.

the amount traded was for exactly the right amount, save for the minerals needed for the extra 425mm's

Its at best vague, at worst a "hidden feature"

So what you're saying is you had the right number of minerals in the wanted items part but you put in too many 425mms? This sounds even more like just a simple mistake on your end tbh.
Infinite Force
#29 - 2014-01-01 01:48:33 UTC
yes, a simple mistake that started when it capped out at 2.1b items, silently failing and i didnt catch ... and which you then took advantage of.

HROLT CEO Live Free; Die Proud

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Michael Harari
Genos Occidere
TRUTH. HONOUR. LIGHT.
#30 - 2014-01-01 01:52:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Michael Harari
Infinite Force wrote:
yes, a simple mistake that started when it capped out at 2.1b items, silently failing and i didnt catch ... and which you then took advantage of.


Maybe you should have "triple checked" it more carefully

Edit: This is like saying "I thought I had turned off heat on my guns, but then they melted because I didnt. CCP should return the ship I lost because of my burned out modules"

Edit 2: Did you really look at the wrong numbers 3 times and not catch it?
Martha Forbes
Forbes Empire Enterprises
#31 - 2014-01-01 02:01:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Martha Forbes
The problem with eve is that its not the real world you can't call the police or sue somebody, well maybe.

Contracts are a simple system to try and reduce the scamming that went on in station trades and no doubt for ccp to track isk for other reason's

Simply put you received the minerals for the agreed order, and for some reason placed the return order for more than stated.

This is a mistake.

Typically, most agreeable parties realize that trading is beneficial for both and rectify the mistake fairly by returning surplus items or giving isk / minerals.

If this does not happen then this does not make him a scammer, it means he does not value your relationship over the long term to make up for the short term gain. That happens.

Oh and in the real world is you receive a Rolls Royce for the payment of a Ford you won't get to keep it, in the western world there is a very long list or reasons that courts can set aside contracts being fair and honest is just a couple of reasons.

sorry for your loss

who has seen that in there petitions can give a an 1 isk and i will be rich!!

I have decided to add an edit since the main person concerned does mineral compression as a profession in eve perhaps its time for you to draw up some terms and conditions you can eve mail to your clients that way if something like this happens again and they keep the items then you have a justified reason to call them a scammer!
Bachari Tanner
Doomheim
#32 - 2014-01-01 02:13:15 UTC
To be honest, it really doesn't matter where the mistake lies. X has stated quite clearly that he saw there was too much there and took it anyway. That means he's not the type of person that's going to do honest business. He's CFC, so that shouldn't really come as a shock, but at least now it's clearly displayed, so the next person to get ripped off by him can be less surprised.
Mate Grunt
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#33 - 2014-01-01 02:45:02 UTC
Bachari Tanner wrote:
That means he's not the type of person that's going to do honest business.


Not exactly, it means if you are doing business with him you want to use a normal amount of care and attention.
Leigh Akiga
Kuhri Innovations
#34 - 2014-01-01 02:48:55 UTC
If I put up a buy order for 4.5b when I really meant 450m does whatever lucky bastard who sells to it become a scammer? No, I become an idiot. Thats all. OP is an idiot- even moreso for making this thread.
mynnna
State War Academy
Caldari State
#35 - 2014-01-01 04:27:39 UTC
Infinite Force wrote:
mynnna wrote:
Besides, the 2.1b stack size limit isn't a glitch, it's exactly how the game is coded and has been coded for ten years. And frankly, someone who routinely deals with massive quantities of minerals as a compression business would claiming he "didn't know that" doesn't pass the sniff test. Cool


so in the end, it was a mistake due to not realizing that on a contract 2.1b was the limit. its not documented anywhere in-game, on the wiki or on any official CCP dev post I can find. If you make a contract above 2.1b anything, you arent prompted that there is an issue with the amount of items contracted, it just reverts, silently, back to 2.1b.

the amount traded was for exactly the right amount, save for the minerals needed for the extra 425mm's

Its at best vague, at worst a "hidden feature"


All I hear is someone who made a mistake and is desperate to blame someone, anyone, but himself for it.

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Nerf Burger
Doomheim
#36 - 2014-01-01 04:38:43 UTC
Force paid too much on accident and X is refusing to give it back.

Live with the consequences of your greed, X. People know not to trust you now.
Nerf Burger
Doomheim
#37 - 2014-01-01 04:41:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Nerf Burger
mynnna wrote:
Infinite Force wrote:
mynnna wrote:
Besides, the 2.1b stack size limit isn't a glitch, it's exactly how the game is coded and has been coded for ten years. And frankly, someone who routinely deals with massive quantities of minerals as a compression business would claiming he "didn't know that" doesn't pass the sniff test. Cool


so in the end, it was a mistake due to not realizing that on a contract 2.1b was the limit. its not documented anywhere in-game, on the wiki or on any official CCP dev post I can find. If you make a contract above 2.1b anything, you arent prompted that there is an issue with the amount of items contracted, it just reverts, silently, back to 2.1b.

the amount traded was for exactly the right amount, save for the minerals needed for the extra 425mm's

Its at best vague, at worst a "hidden feature"


All I hear is someone who made a mistake and is desperate to blame someone, anyone, but himself for it.


No, this thread does serve a purpose. It is a fair warning to others.

Why is it always the CSMs from goonswarm who are so dense? what a joke of a position it has become.
mynnna
State War Academy
Caldari State
#38 - 2014-01-01 04:49:03 UTC
A fair warning to avoid dealing with the OP as if he feels slighted in the tiniest way he'll try to slander you, yes. Cool

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Bad Bobby
Bring Me Sunshine
In Tea We Trust
#39 - 2014-01-01 05:50:25 UTC
So you are calling out X ATM092 for being the willing beneficiary of your own incompetence?

Beyond that, you are calling out X ATM092... who does not have a good name for you to tarnish. His reputation is for being rich and brutal... and you are calling him out for becomming richer by being brutal. It's not exactly news to anyone who already knew of him, is it?
Zahara Cody
Imperial Corrections Service.
#40 - 2014-01-01 07:03:30 UTC
Nothing to see here.

Hating is free, that's why poor people do it the best.
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