Player Features and Ideas Discussion

That is pretty nice, and all great points. Logical that they use them in their current form. But again it would kind of suck that we would lose a feature that is helpful in other scenarios just because its too OP when combined with the large cap fleet stuff. So perhaps there is another way of addressing the problem in another way particular to carriers without having to kill the feature off? Would there be as much complaining about assisting if it wasn't so tied to the Archon?

Would it not make sense that a pilot can only have as many drones assist him as he has levels in drone interfacing? Or maybe a new skill to control assisting drones that limits the number of drones controlled? In this sense the assisted pilot would be acting like a spotter for a sniper in the battlefield.

Another idea could be that the drones have to be in the assisted pilots drone control range, this would limit the range of sentry drones a little, but would still allow combat drones to assist.

The rationale for this would be that for the drones to assist a pilot he must to some degree interface with them for targeting etc, otherwise what's the point in assist as technically it is the drone owning pilot controlling them. The drone owner should have to do the target assignment for his drones based on the distant pilot calling targets or must cede control of the drones targeting function to the assistee (i .e. the assistee interfaces with the drones too).

Drone boat pilots spend a lot of time training skills to use their little mechanical friends, other pilots should not get a free ride in using drones in my opinion. To be assisted by combat drones you should train the appropriate skill to use them. This would also naturally limit the number of drones that can assist any given pilot.

EDIT: This only applies to combat/ewar/sentry drones as some control would need to be ceded to the assisted pilot for targeting. Logi drones would not be affected as they are being ordered to rep the assistee directly by the drone owner

Tell me. How do you suggest fighting a 200 strong spider tanking sentry carrier fleet, with supercapital supremacy, without it ending in either a node crash or a stalemate that lasts until downtime?

Sometimes things are just imbalanced. I know you're fine with archon blobs but please don't tell us that you know how to counter them because you don't. And please stop comparing fleet movement to drone assists. FC doesn't have control of your guns or missiles.

yes, those are navigational things, but all fc can do it, be it for guns/missile or drone boats. It doesn't limit any of them so stop talking about it like it has anything to do here.



well then you're after removing drone assists. there ya go.

I'm not trolling at all, lets take this in parts right, first you say you can't use the fleet because we have more supers, while I'm not even sure this is actually true anymore not using a thing because the opponent has the counter doesn't mean that the counter doesn't work, not using the counter to your enemy because he can counter your counter, also does not invalidate a counter, i just means in this particular case your opponent out thought you and planned ahead.

So now the game should be changed because you and yours have poor planning skills, is that the argument you're attempting to make?

And because here's the core argument for Drone assign: Giving up control of your ships is bad, giving over control of your weapons are bad, its ability to eliminate any human error from the firing process makes it imbalanced.

So then, tell me how that argument doesn't apply equally to fleet warping? How does it not apply equally to Fleet Anchors? In both of these instances you are voluntarily giving over control of your ship (like drone assign) to mitigate human error and maximize efficiency. So at the core of the drone assign argument, you find that the entire mechanic of turning over control of your ship is essentially broken across the board.

Bombers are much harder to work with if they have to control their own warps.

Fleets are easier to pick and chew at when all the members are responsible to warping themselves.

Fleets are easier to position due to the Fleet Anchor mechanics.


All of these things are mitigating human error, and allowing one person to control the core actions of a group of ships to avoid error at the pilot level, just like drone assign, so at some point you have to realize you're not just attacking drone assists, you're attacking the current core concepts of EVE fleet combat, and that if you say that one is out of balance, then since they all share the same traits and functions, they're all out of balance.

there is no planning ahead that neads to be done. it's just a matter of bringing bigger toys, but if you can field alot of titans and supers, then well.. it's just end game and there is no counter to that. can't really kill a titan that just doomsdayed a dread and can be repped by 200 archons. all you need to do is just sit with drones assigned and keep reps on supers or titans that have fighter bombers or doomsdays and you're indestructible.



sorry but who said "Giving up control of your ships is bad". stop making things up. It's a topic about drone assist



And again you're mixing fleet mechanics and actions of a fleet member like it's the same. You can't warp to a spot where FC combat scanned enemy, can you? That's why you need FC to have some sort of general tools to make fleet work - like fleet warping and broadcasting. But after that you need to control your ship by yourself. keep distance lock targets (or keep being jammed/dampened).

With drone assists your're even worse tool than goons when everyone was saying that all they do is anchor and press F1 in their drakes. You do nothing.

I think you're referring to a different topic buddy, you have only 4 posts here ;)


Being a hero will not resolve the problem of sentry carriers hitting like short range large guns at extreme ranges with capital hulls that can rep each other and repair a counter to them (supers/titans).



How about assigning drones to a remote boosted proteus or legion which due to small sig can't really be taken down fast is not broken. Or the fact that carriers can rep eachother while ditching out damage of a short range battleship gun with super tracking at extreme ranges and can't be jammed, because they don't even have to target anything. you would need to deal with 12 or so separate drones. I know other pandemic legion members know that it's OP mechanic, because they saw goons or someone with sentry do fleets and probably couldn't take them down, so they upgraded it to extreme with archons.

could a fleet of stealth bombers be an effective counter doing hit and runs? each closing in turn and bombing, warp out, then next hits and so on? I'm thinking ghengis khan cavalry sytle tactics of circling the blob and chewing the edges off before the blob can react. Two or 3 fleets of bombers hitting different points of the blob mean the single commander with drones assisting can only target one at a time...

Bear inmind I'm new and have no experience of this combat, just trying to think of counters instead of changing gameplay :D

it's not sig tanking making me mad, it's bad posters. So let's say you have a aeon that is sitting inside archon blob, with his EWAR immunity and drones assigned. can't counter that.


battleships can be taken down with alpha maels for example. if you want to take down RR archons you need alpha from naglfars. problem is that if you siege them, they are sitting ducks and can't be remote repaired, and are very easy target for super or titans (why you so mad)


I would like to know your counter to that tactic just to laugh how bad you are.




sentry domi fleets with assisted drones were there before your archons. you didn't invent anything. just saying