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Intaki Liberated

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Jace Sarice
#21 - 2014-01-01 15:00:12 UTC
X Gallentius wrote:
Yesterday Intaki was liberated from the terrorists known as the Caldari State Protectorate. The Mordus "security" forces outside the V-5 station were also summarily executed.

Militia forces, including JUSTK, have determined that the Mordus Enforcers are in bed with the Caldari, and are considered KOS whenever we patrol the system.



You are severely overestimating the importance of your actions.
Arkady Vachon
The Gold Angels
Sixth Empire
#22 - 2014-01-01 15:11:11 UTC
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
I'll make a bet that nobody on Intaki is actually going to notice.


It has made for some great punchlines, though. Don't like your controlling empire? wait a couple of weeks, it'll change.

We'll be making all the flags and banners out of chameleon material with an internal memory so we can change them with a push of the button, saves the trouble of taking them down.

Nothing Personal - Just Business...

Chaos Creates Content

Constantin Baracca
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#23 - 2014-01-01 19:44:03 UTC
To be fair, the government of Intaki hasn't changed. CEWPA governs that system. The empires that fight over it are only inadvertently supporting the only real arbiter of law and order there.

"What good will it be for someone to gain the whole world, yet forfeit their soul? Or what can anyone give in exchange for their soul?"

-Matthew 16:26

Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#24 - 2014-01-01 22:04:37 UTC
Arkady Vachon wrote:
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
I'll make a bet that nobody on Intaki is actually going to notice.


It has made for some great punchlines, though. Don't like your controlling empire? wait a couple of weeks, it'll change.

We'll be making all the flags and banners out of chameleon material with an internal memory so we can change them with a push of the button, saves the trouble of taking them down.



Intaki is one of those places where people do what they want while those "in power" think they are in charge. It's the best kind of liberty.

Bring back DEEEEP Space!

Saya Ishikari
Ishukone-Raata Technological Research Institute
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#25 - 2014-01-02 07:44:25 UTC
X Gallentius wrote:
Yesterday Intaki was liberated from the terrorists known as the Caldari State Protectorate. The Mordus "security" forces outside the V-5 station were also summarily executed.

Militia forces, including JUSTK, have determined that the Mordus Enforcers are in bed with the Caldari, and are considered KOS whenever we patrol the system.


Buy yourself a cookie, and tell yourself it's from me.

"At the end of it all, we have only what we've left in our wake to be remembered by." -Kyoko Ishikari, YC 95 - YC 117

Julianus Soter
Blades of Liberty
#26 - 2014-01-02 12:42:23 UTC
Consistent use of Intaki Assembly Territory by Caldari Navy forces for offensive operations on adjacent Placid Region Federal Districts is a violation of the arrangement between the Assembly and Ishukone Corporation. I request the Intaki Assembly reconsider their agreements with Ishukone, or negotiate the permanent withdrawl of Caldari Forces from the Intaki Prime system under the Militia War Powers Act.

Moira Corporation forces, and the Villore Accords in its entirety, supported the forcible removal of Caldari forces and their affiliates from the system on the date of the original announcement. We fully stand behind the Constitutionally protected autonomy and independence of the Intaki People, while also supporting the collective Defense and Prosperity of the Federation.

Moira. Corporation CEO, Executor, Villore Accords, @Julianus_Soter https://zkillboard.com/alliance/99001634/

Kyllsa Siikanen
Tuonelan Virta
#27 - 2014-01-02 12:57:03 UTC
A system changed hands in the warzone?

Agents of the federation are celebrating by executing vast numbers of people?!?

My rebuttal:

Very war.

Such fight.

Very brave.

Wow.

“Crying is all right in its own way while it lasts. But you have to stop sooner or later, and then you still have to decide what to do.” 

― C.S. Lewis 

Jowen Datloran
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#28 - 2014-01-02 13:45:56 UTC
And here I though Intaki finally had separated from the Federation and gone independent.

But no, fooled again.

Mr. Science & Trade Institute, EVE Online Lorebook 

X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#29 - 2014-01-02 15:48:48 UTC
Jowen Datloran wrote:
And here I though Intaki finally had separated from the Federation and gone independent.
.
Only a few delusional separatist groups believe Intaki has voted to leave the Federation.
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#30 - 2014-01-02 16:31:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Pieter Tuulinen
Julianus Soter wrote:
Consistent use of Intaki Assembly Territory by Caldari Navy forces for offensive operations on adjacent Placid Region Federal Districts is a violation of the arrangement between the Assembly and Ishukone Corporation. I request the Intaki Assembly reconsider their agreements with Ishukone, or negotiate the permanent withdrawl of Caldari Forces from the Intaki Prime system under the Militia War Powers Act.

Moira Corporation forces, and the Villore Accords in its entirety, supported the forcible removal of Caldari forces and their affiliates from the system on the date of the original announcement. We fully stand behind the Constitutionally protected autonomy and independence of the Intaki People, while also supporting the collective Defense and Prosperity of the Federation.


Caldari State Militia affiliated organisations are NOT bound by any agreements between the Intaki Assembly and the Ishukone okusaika - deriving their authority to prosecute war targets ANYWHERE and at ANY TIME from legislation signed into law under the auspices of the DED and all it's signatory states, including the Gallente Federation.

Villore Accords attempt to put legal pressure on the Intaki Assembly and the Ishukone okusaika is in contravention of the Concord Emergency Militia War Powers Act, within which there are no provisions for a warzone system to unilaterally demand the withdrawal of any one Militia. Pyre Falcon reiterates it's intention to prosecute both flagged War Targets and unauthorised neutral parties who are deemed to be a threat to security, within any system and without notice. It should be noted that the CEMWPA also provides authority to prosecute flagged targets within high security space, within the territory of any of the signatory powers.

On a personal note, I decry the recent inflammatory actions taken by Villore Accords, which are nothing more than petty posturing and a pot-stirring exercise. The Gentleman from Villore Accords knows that Caldari Militia will be withdrawn only when a negotiated settlement is found that addresses equally the concerns of both the Gallente Federation and the Caldari State - until then the war will continue to be prosecuted in the normal manner. It will take more than a speech and the murder of local security forces, Julianus, although your actions do serve to underline what has come to be known as due process within those forces supporting the Federation in these dark times.

The pendulum will continue to swing.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.

Rinai Vero
Blades of Liberty
#31 - 2014-01-02 19:13:48 UTC
Pieter, I always enjoy it when you drop the "Simple Soldier" bit and put on your Space Lawyer hat. Sadly, I think you'd better go re read Soter's statement. He said "Caldari Navy" not "State Protectorate" or "Milita" forces.

Furthermore, until Villore Accords files a lawsuit we aren't "attempting to put legal pressure" on anyone. Doesn't stop us from calling the Intaki Situation what it is: a legal clusterfrak with violations of agreements rampant.

Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#32 - 2014-01-02 19:47:52 UTC
Now you know why I hate putting my space lawyer hat on - the ojaabun is much better at it than I am!

However, you should know that if you intend to kill people over a legal nicety, you are very much applying pressure, even if it's not legal pressure. You should also remember the fact that Mordus Legion has been invited into the Intaki system by the assembly themselves. These actions invite drama and tension into a situation that already has a surfeit of both.

Additionally you should consider the fact that Mordus legion is deployed as one of the peacekeepers on Caldari Prime, where they are jointly responsible for the security and safety of the planet and the population. We can all agree that the situation on Caldari Prime needs to be protected, lest this cold war flare up again.

I have never understand the need for vainglorious declarations that seems to infect the Federal Defense Union, Rinai. You very seldom see similar posturing from our said and, on the rare occasions that you do, it is often the rest of the State Protectorate pilots who are the most vocal about shutting it up. I'd advise you to police your own.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.

Eran Mintor
Metropolis Commercial Consortium
#33 - 2014-01-02 21:22:02 UTC
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
...I have never understand the need for vainglorious declarations that seems to infect the Federal Defense Union, Rinai. ...


You don't? Ego's must be sated.

-Eran
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#34 - 2014-01-02 21:23:49 UTC
I prefer to do my empty posturing on the basis of killmails. But only to my friends.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.

Desiderya
Blue Canary
Watch This
#35 - 2014-01-03 00:11:00 UTC
Julianus Soter wrote:
Consistent use of Intaki Assembly Territory by Caldari Navy forces for offensive operations on adjacent Placid Region Federal Districts is a violation of the arrangement between the Assembly and Ishukone Corporation. I request the Intaki Assembly reconsider their agreements with Ishukone, or negotiate the permanent withdrawl of Caldari Forces from the Intaki Prime system under the Militia War Powers Act.

Moira Corporation forces, and the Villore Accords in its entirety, supported the forcible removal of Caldari forces and their affiliates from the system on the date of the original announcement. We fully stand behind the Constitutionally protected autonomy and independence of the Intaki People, while also supporting the collective Defense and Prosperity of the Federation.



What the frack are you even talking about. What kind of assembly area by what Caldari Navy forces to what kind of offensive operations. I mean, there's a certain level of need to know, and I don't expect to catch wind of anything going on all the time, but I've got the sneaking suspicion your nightmares are giving you trouble again.

I imagine the fight against this army of goblins and ghosts must have been intense, and congratulate you on your accomplished ability to wage successful war against an invisible opponent without, bear with me ladies and gentlemen, wetting your pants.

Ruthlessness is the kindness of the wise.

Erik Kaassan
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#36 - 2014-01-03 03:19:32 UTC
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
I prefer to do my empty posturing on the basis of killmails. But only to my friends.


Maybe a wiser statement then you know. Legal-ese is a tricky and precise language.
Rinai Vero
Blades of Liberty
#37 - 2014-01-03 03:32:02 UTC
Desiderya wrote:



What the frack are you even talking about.


You've never noticed Caldari Military Outposts, Installations, and Facilities protected by Caldari Navy forces in the Intaki System? I'm rather sure PYRE scouts aren't so incompetent.
Erik Kaassan
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#38 - 2014-01-03 03:37:38 UTC
X Gallentius wrote:
Yesterday Intaki was liberated from the terrorists known as the Caldari State Protectorate. The Mordus "security" forces outside the V-5 station were also summarily executed.

Militia forces, including JUSTK, have determined that the Mordus Enforcers are in bed with the Caldari, and are considered KOS whenever we patrol the system.



And on this day.... Nobody cared.

Seriously, even the Intaki I work with on the station don't particularly mind that kind of news any more. They just sorta go "Yep. That's nice." and go back to work.
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#39 - 2014-01-03 04:56:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Pieter Tuulinen
Rinai Vero wrote:
Desiderya wrote:



What the frack are you even talking about.


You've never noticed Caldari Military Outposts, Installations, and Facilities protected by Caldari Navy forces in the Intaki System? I'm rather sure PYRE scouts aren't so incompetent.


Oh, please. Despite the upcannoning of individual ships in YC115, those patrols were pared back so hard in terms of numbers that they're barely a speed bump. In any case we're talking about C Category units.

Those units don't deploy forward to attack anything.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.

Katrina Oniseki
Oniseki-Raata Internal Watch
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#40 - 2014-01-03 04:57:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Katrina Oniseki
Signatories to the Federal Charter retain the legal right to determine various aspects of the Assembly of their original territories, including the "Shipping and Security" franchise, which regulates commercial shipping and which is traditionally assigned to FedMart and the Federal Navy and Customs.

Can someone please clarify in detail what agreements have been 'violated'? As I understand it, the Intaki Assembly met with Ishukone Corporation and Mordu's Legion in an effort to protect the interests of the Intaki Assembly and Ishukone. This is a double edged sword for both parties. The Intaki people stand under the protection of Ishukone corporation during State Protectorate occupation, while Ishukone stands under the protection of Federation law during Federal Defense Union occupation. Mordu's Legion is meanwhile hired to enforce and protect against piracy... understandably ineffective against capsuleers.

I can understand the Federation loyalist's upset that the Assembly literally turned away the Federation Navy at the stargate when they tried to return following an FDU return to the system, citing they are no longer needed nor welcome. Is the historical partnership with Federal entities to provide Shipping and Security the agreement that was violated? Is such a choice not protected under Federation law? Is this about loyalists being upset that an unprecedented decision was made to invite a Caldari megacorporation and mercenaries into Intaki at the exclusion of Federal or Federally aligned bodies?

Otherwise, which agreements have been violated?

Rinai Vero wrote:
You've never noticed Caldari Military Outposts, Installations, and Facilities protected by Caldari Navy forces in the Intaki System?


Should I point you then to the numerous Federation Navy protected deadspace outposts located in Caldari sovereignty occupied by the Federal Defense Union?

That isn't a "violation". It's a function and feature of the militia wars. It is working as intended, and it isn't going to go away any time soon. ... even if the Intaki Assembly happened to agree with SOter and reconsider the Ishukone-Intaki Agreement.

Katrina Oniseki