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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#81 - 2014-01-01 18:49:44 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Phyrr wrote:


That was back in the day, replace BS with Carriers. Sorry just because big alliances have issues with one game mechanic, doesn't mean you can ruin it for everyone else. As I said, prove it doesn't work, rather than ignore it.



We have. There are no subcap fleets or tactics that will break one of these carrier fleets. This means that most of playerbase are useless in a fight against these and every single alliance has no hope of ever winning a fight. Only two powers have the ability to beat these and one of them is the party using it.

So, when we talk about "ruining it for everyone else" let get our facts right. CCP have stated time and time again that they will never allow the game to turn into capitals online.

Capitals Online: getin edition

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Pinky Hops
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#82 - 2014-01-01 19:16:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Pinky Hops
the whole Capitals Online thing was in reaction to a whole mess of different issues, not just PvP and certainly not in just specific PvP scenarios.

For instance: people 'plexing in carriers.

The idea that the game has become "Capitals Online" just because they are a dominant strategy of defending and attacking in the largest escalated fights within the current metagame....is silly. Roll

For the vast, vast, vast majority of EVE, capitals have close to zero relevance.

But, since they are relevant in killing goons and claiming their tears, we have threads like these Lol

If it beats goons, it's overpowered.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#83 - 2014-01-01 19:19:12 UTC
Pinky Hops wrote:
the whole Capitals Online thing was in reaction to a whole mess of different issues, not just PvP and certainly not in just specific PvP scenarios.



We have seen several nerfs to capitals when they became impossible to kill to anything other than more capitals, this is no different.
Pinky Hops
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#84 - 2014-01-01 19:20:02 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Pinky Hops wrote:
the whole Capitals Online thing was in reaction to a whole mess of different issues, not just PvP and certainly not in just specific PvP scenarios.



We have seen several nerfs to capitals when they became impossible to kill to anything other than more capitals, this is no different.


I checked the killboard and there are plenty of capital deaths.

{citation needed} on "unkillable capitals."
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#85 - 2014-01-01 19:21:36 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Pinky Hops wrote:
the whole Capitals Online thing was in reaction to a whole mess of different issues, not just PvP and certainly not in just specific PvP scenarios.

We have seen several nerfs to capitals when they became impossible to kill to anything other than more capitals, this is no different.

It's as though some people feel the need to help push back in the name of progodlegend

Soon, a non-blue eve

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#86 - 2014-01-01 19:22:46 UTC
Pinky Hops wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Pinky Hops wrote:
the whole Capitals Online thing was in reaction to a whole mess of different issues, not just PvP and certainly not in just specific PvP scenarios.



We have seen several nerfs to capitals when they became impossible to kill to anything other than more capitals, this is no different.


I checked the killboard and there are plenty of capital deaths.

{citation needed} on "unkillable capitals."


Please post this dead archon fleet.
Pinky Hops
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#87 - 2014-01-01 19:24:08 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Pinky Hops wrote:
the whole Capitals Online thing was in reaction to a whole mess of different issues, not just PvP and certainly not in just specific PvP scenarios.

We have seen several nerfs to capitals when they became impossible to kill to anything other than more capitals, this is no different.

It's as though some people feel the need to help push back in the name of progodlegend

Soon, a non-blue eve


It's almost as if people feel the need to post random and arbitrary internet-space-politics in relation to game mechanics as if it makes sense.

Hint: it doesn't.
Pinky Hops
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#88 - 2014-01-01 19:25:24 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Pinky Hops wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Pinky Hops wrote:
the whole Capitals Online thing was in reaction to a whole mess of different issues, not just PvP and certainly not in just specific PvP scenarios.



We have seen several nerfs to capitals when they became impossible to kill to anything other than more capitals, this is no different.


I checked the killboard and there are plenty of capital deaths.

{citation needed} on "unkillable capitals."


Please post this dead archon fleet.


Archons die all the time.

Just because you haven't managed to kill a particular fleet of particular archons does not mean you should cry so much.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#89 - 2014-01-01 19:30:28 UTC
Pinky Hops wrote:


Archons die all the time.

Just because you haven't managed to kill a particular fleet of particular archons does not mean you should cry so much.


AOE titans used to die, so did Directional DD titans, as did tracking titans and motherships.

They all saw nerfs because when in a fleet they were unkillable to subcaps and the only counter was more capitals. This Archon fleet is unkillable to subcaps and falls under the exact same criteria as all of those old capital fleets that have been nerfed over the years.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#90 - 2014-01-01 19:31:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Alavaria Fera
baltec1 wrote:
Pinky Hops wrote:
Archons die all the time.

Just because you haven't managed to kill a particular fleet of particular archons does not mean you should cry so much.

AOE titans used to die, so did Directional DD titans, as did tracking titans and motherships.

They all saw nerfs because when in a fleet they were unkillable to subcaps and the only counter was more capitals. This Archon fleet is unkillable to subcaps and falls under the exact same criteria as all of those old capital fleets that have been nerfed over the years.

AOE titans, completely balanced because one of them might be caught logged off and killed

I do like how desperate some people seem to be. progodlegend's dream musn't be allowed to die to ccp balancing

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Pinky Hops
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#91 - 2014-01-01 19:33:47 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Pinky Hops wrote:


Archons die all the time.

Just because you haven't managed to kill a particular fleet of particular archons does not mean you should cry so much.


AOE titans used to die, so did Directional DD titans, as did tracking titans and motherships.

They all saw nerfs because when in a fleet they were unkillable to subcaps and the only counter was more capitals. This Archon fleet is unkillable to subcaps and falls under the exact same criteria as all of those old capital fleets that have been nerfed over the years.



I doubt it's unkillable. That's basically the definition of whining. You're probably doing the same crappy strategy over and over like a broken record from an insane asylum. Your enemy has intelligently countered you.

This implies your enemy is using an OP tactic?

hmmmmm, sorry. I do not agree.
Phyrr
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#92 - 2014-01-01 19:34:45 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Phyrr wrote:


That was back in the day, replace BS with Carriers. Sorry just because big alliances have issues with one game mechanic, doesn't mean you can ruin it for everyone else. As I said, prove it doesn't work, rather than ignore it.



We have. There are no subcap fleets or tactics that will break one of these carrier fleets. This means that most of playerbase are useless in a fight against these and every single alliance has no hope of ever winning a fight. Only two powers have the ability to beat these and one of them is the party using it.

So, when we talk about "ruining it for everyone else" let get our facts right. CCP have stated time and time again that they will never allow the game to turn into capitals online.


So they are going to restrict players from getting into capitals? That's the only way i'm afraid.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#93 - 2014-01-01 19:36:38 UTC
Phyrr wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Phyrr wrote:


That was back in the day, replace BS with Carriers. Sorry just because big alliances have issues with one game mechanic, doesn't mean you can ruin it for everyone else. As I said, prove it doesn't work, rather than ignore it.



We have. There are no subcap fleets or tactics that will break one of these carrier fleets. This means that most of playerbase are useless in a fight against these and every single alliance has no hope of ever winning a fight. Only two powers have the ability to beat these and one of them is the party using it.

So, when we talk about "ruining it for everyone else" let get our facts right. CCP have stated time and time again that they will never allow the game to turn into capitals online.


So they are going to restrict players from getting into capitals? That's the only way i'm afraid.

that's adorable

can players still get in titans now?

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#94 - 2014-01-01 19:46:13 UTC
Pinky Hops wrote:


I doubt it's unkillable. That's basically the definition of whining. You're probably doing the same crappy strategy over and over like a broken record from an insane asylum. Your enemy has intelligently countered you.

This implies your enemy is using an OP tactic?

hmmmmm, sorry. I do not agree.


The only way to counter them is to aplha them off the grid before they can apply their reps. No subcap fleet can put out that kind of firepower.

You are using the same old sorry arguments in an attempt to keep an unbalanced fleet in the game that were used for tracking titans, swarm motherships and AOE doomsdays
Arsine Mayhem
Doomheim
#95 - 2014-01-01 19:50:04 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
This just in: N3PL exclusively are using drone assist and nerfing it is a nerf to them alone.


Yet, you (CFC) are the ones calling for it.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#96 - 2014-01-01 19:52:21 UTC
Arsine Mayhem wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
This just in: N3PL exclusively are using drone assist and nerfing it is a nerf to them alone.


Yet, you (CFC) are the ones calling for it.


We also called for Tech nerfs.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#97 - 2014-01-01 20:06:30 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Pinky Hops wrote:


I doubt it's unkillable. That's basically the definition of whining. You're probably doing the same crappy strategy over and over like a broken record from an insane asylum. Your enemy has intelligently countered you.

This implies your enemy is using an OP tactic?

hmmmmm, sorry. I do not agree.

The only way to counter them is to aplha them off the grid before they can apply their reps. No subcap fleet can put out that kind of firepower.

You are using the same old sorry arguments in an attempt to keep an unbalanced fleet in the game that were used for tracking titans, swarm motherships and AOE doomsdays

It's like someone is desperate to defend drone assist against all comers

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Pinky Hops
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#98 - 2014-01-01 20:49:42 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Pinky Hops wrote:


I doubt it's unkillable. That's basically the definition of whining. You're probably doing the same crappy strategy over and over like a broken record from an insane asylum. Your enemy has intelligently countered you.

This implies your enemy is using an OP tactic?

hmmmmm, sorry. I do not agree.

The only way to counter them is to aplha them off the grid before they can apply their reps. No subcap fleet can put out that kind of firepower.

You are using the same old sorry arguments in an attempt to keep an unbalanced fleet in the game that were used for tracking titans, swarm motherships and AOE doomsdays

It's like someone is desperate to defend drone assist against all comers


lol

"the only way to counter them is to alpha them"

not sure if trolling or serious.

very uncreative. no wonder you are failing in the war.
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#99 - 2014-01-01 21:22:29 UTC
Something needs to be done about this!

We can't have AFK fleet threads bumping the AFK cloaker threads off page one.

Mr Epeen Cool
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#100 - 2014-01-01 21:24:08 UTC
Let's not pretend this is a serious issue or anything.

Wouldn't want to give reasons for ccp to listen to goon tears

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