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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#61 - 2014-01-01 03:44:36 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Mallak Azaria wrote:
This is funny because just a few days ago you guys were saying you know you can't win.

These are of course the same people who say "CFC is too ***** to drop caps" and then turn around and say "we enjoy killing your dreadnoughts please keep dropping them."

Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
As for this CFC and nullsec slowcat thing, who cares? All I hear is nerds bleating back and forth about something.

Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
I must be right about something because a goon is going with their talking points and personal attacks.

Heh.

No Fun Allowed

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Akrasjel Lanate
Immemorial Coalescence Administration
Immemorial Coalescence
#62 - 2014-01-01 09:14:13 UTC
Tetsuo Tsukaya wrote:
Grath has repeatedly insisted that nerfing drone assist wont have an impact on slowcats.

That said, if it happens before the current war is resolved it is going to look extremely suspect and engender a lot of ill will.

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Citizen of Solitude
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#63 - 2014-01-01 09:18:11 UTC
Akrasjel Lanate wrote:
Tetsuo Tsukaya wrote:
Grath has repeatedly insisted that nerfing drone assist wont have an impact on slowcats.

That said, if it happens before the current war is resolved it is going to look extremely suspect and engender a lot of ill will.


a very suspicious non-impact?

Slowcats can have drone assisted sentries shoot to 179km, they can't actually lock that far with their tank lows and omni mids.

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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#64 - 2014-01-01 09:25:00 UTC
Ah, but remember this is all grasping at straws by the cfc who have nothing to rely on and no hope that "omegafleet" or any other hilariously named blobber doctrine will save them from the gilded wrecking ball of progodlegend.

Progodlegend: Making coalitions that exist to destroy the cfc

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James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#65 - 2014-01-01 09:36:42 UTC
Akrasjel Lanate wrote:
Tetsuo Tsukaya wrote:
Grath has repeatedly insisted that nerfing drone assist wont have an impact on slowcats.

That said, if it happens before the current war is resolved it is going to look extremely suspect and engender a lot of ill will.


If we were concerned with avoiding ill will we'd have disbanded by now.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Diamond Zerg
Taking Solo Away.
#66 - 2014-01-01 10:57:06 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Akrasjel Lanate wrote:
Tetsuo Tsukaya wrote:
Grath has repeatedly insisted that nerfing drone assist wont have an impact on slowcats.

That said, if it happens before the current war is resolved it is going to look extremely suspect and engender a lot of ill will.


If we were concerned with avoiding ill will we'd have disbanded by now.



Drone assist being nerfed would just be fair, long range dread pilots have to manually activate their modules, why shouldn't slowcat pilots have to do the same?
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#67 - 2014-01-01 11:07:32 UTC
Diamond Zerg wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Akrasjel Lanate wrote:
Tetsuo Tsukaya wrote:
Grath has repeatedly insisted that nerfing drone assist wont have an impact on slowcats.

That said, if it happens before the current war is resolved it is going to look extremely suspect and engender a lot of ill will.


If we were concerned with avoiding ill will we'd have disbanded by now.

Drone assist being nerfed would just be fair, long range dread pilots have to manually activate their modules, why shouldn't slowcat pilots have to do the same?

Our own existence is a sin that cannot be forgiven. Thus N3 has its purpose: to remove it.


Drone assist is balanced, as per the most recent ceo update

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Mag's
Azn Empire
#68 - 2014-01-01 11:23:40 UTC
Am I too late for a "Grrrr Goons"?

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Ira Infernus
Knights-of-Cydonia
#69 - 2014-01-01 12:39:55 UTC
I dont really care much for null wars. The massive fleets have never appealed to me. That being said, theoretically speaking there is nothing wrong with the slowcat doctrine. The logistics its requires to get a fleet of logi, nevermind carriers, orientated correctly is slow, rendering it a flawed process for offence.

Yes it reduces the amount of trigger men but Im sure its nothing a decent alpha fleet cannot deal with. Given a slowcat "attack" there is nothing stopping you from mounting a fleet perfect for countering it beforehand. Its a stroke of defensive genius IMO, and if you cannot think of a way around it then you obviously arent ready to take on that space yet.

Nerfing drone assist because of a somewhat powerful defensive doctrine is ridiculous. Assuming slowcatting is bad, the negatives of removing drone assist outweigh the fact that this simple approach to defense is then made redundant.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#70 - 2014-01-01 15:06:55 UTC
Ira Infernus wrote:
I dont really care much for null wars. The massive fleets have never appealed to me. That being said, theoretically speaking there is nothing wrong with the slowcat doctrine. The logistics its requires to get a fleet of logi, nevermind carriers, orientated correctly is slow, rendering it a flawed process for offence.

Yes it reduces the amount of trigger men but Im sure its nothing a decent alpha fleet cannot deal with. Given a slowcat "attack" there is nothing stopping you from mounting a fleet perfect for countering it beforehand. Its a stroke of defensive genius IMO, and if you cannot think of a way around it then you obviously arent ready to take on that space yet.

Nerfing drone assist because of a somewhat powerful defensive doctrine is ridiculous. Assuming slowcatting is bad, the negatives of removing drone assist outweigh the fact that this simple approach to defense is then made redundant.


CCP have nerfed capitals several time now when they rendered subcaps useless.

What makes you think they won't this time?
Phyrr
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#71 - 2014-01-01 15:12:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Phyrr
baltec1 wrote:
Phyrr wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Smartbombs: very effective against 320 flights of drones per carrier.


Very effective yes and also very expensive (320 flights of sentries ain't cheap). Used to work back in the day... Smarty fit BS warp in to carrier blob at zero and kill the fighters. I guess it's easier to type a few words in complaint than come up with a counter though...


Carriers refit for smartbombs, combined smartbombs kill the BS fleet.


That was back in the day, replace BS with Carriers. Sorry just because big alliances have issues with one game mechanic, doesn't mean you can ruin it for everyone else. As I said, prove it doesn't work, rather than ignore it.
Slick Phister
SickandTired Corp
#72 - 2014-01-01 15:14:25 UTC
Ira Infernus wrote:
I dont really care much for null wars. The massive fleets have never appealed to me. That being said, theoretically speaking there is nothing wrong with the slowcat doctrine. The logistics its requires to get a fleet of logi, nevermind carriers, orientated correctly is slow, rendering it a flawed process for offence.

Yes it reduces the amount of trigger men but Im sure its nothing a decent alpha fleet cannot deal with. Given a slowcat "attack" there is nothing stopping you from mounting a fleet perfect for countering it beforehand. Its a stroke of defensive genius IMO, and if you cannot think of a way around it then you obviously arent ready to take on that space yet.

Nerfing drone assist because of a somewhat powerful defensive doctrine is ridiculous. Assuming slowcatting is bad, the negatives of removing drone assist outweigh the fact that this simple approach to defense is then made redundant.


It requires a fleet of logi?
You may want to look before you speak. The slowcat IS the Logi. And the Tank. And the DPS.
The only other thing required, is the targeting ship. If you add to that some subs tasked to destroy bubbles and dictors, then you have the Dotdot doctrine.
These fleets, in their current configuration, can alpha frigates and dreadnaughts with equal ease, and out range everything else on the field. There is no "fleet perfect for countering it beforehand".
You didn't need to tell us that you don't really care for null wars. You've obviously never been in one.
Phyrr
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#73 - 2014-01-01 15:14:58 UTC
Diamond Zerg wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Akrasjel Lanate wrote:
Tetsuo Tsukaya wrote:
Grath has repeatedly insisted that nerfing drone assist wont have an impact on slowcats.

That said, if it happens before the current war is resolved it is going to look extremely suspect and engender a lot of ill will.


If we were concerned with avoiding ill will we'd have disbanded by now.



Drone assist being nerfed would just be fair, long range dread pilots have to manually activate their modules, why shouldn't slowcat pilots have to do the same?


Clicking F1 is no different to clicking deploy drones, the deploying of drones is a manual activity, or did you think they auto deploy, do you even drone son?
Slick Phister
SickandTired Corp
#74 - 2014-01-01 15:25:29 UTC
Phyrr wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Phyrr wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Smartbombs: very effective against 320 flights of drones per carrier.


Very effective yes and also very expensive (320 flights of sentries ain't cheap). Used to work back in the day... Smarty fit BS warp in to carrier blob at zero and kill the fighters. I guess it's easier to type a few words in complaint than come up with a counter though...


Carriers refit for smartbombs, combined smartbombs kill the BS fleet.


That was back in the day, replace BS with Carriers. Sorry just because big alliances have issues with one game mechanic, doesn't mean you can ruin it for everyone else. As I said, prove it doesn't work, rather than ignore it.


So, your advice is for someone to feed their entire stockpile of ships into the blob of slowcats to prove that it is OP?
It's already been done. Several times.
For your information, it is not the one who sounds the alarm that is responsible for ruining it for everyone else. It is the one who abused the exploit in the first place.
I'm guessing you still think that nulli should be able to sit behind POS sheilds with their sentries outside shooting?
Pinky Hops
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#75 - 2014-01-01 16:01:01 UTC
So much whining.

So pathetic.
Pandora Barzane
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#76 - 2014-01-01 16:22:48 UTC
Pinky Hops wrote:
So much whining.

So pathetic.


everybody knows the amount of whine is related to the amount of goons in a thread.
Daisai
Daisai Investments.
#77 - 2014-01-01 18:10:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Daisai
Diamond Zerg wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Akrasjel Lanate wrote:
Tetsuo Tsukaya wrote:
Grath has repeatedly insisted that nerfing drone assist wont have an impact on slowcats.

That said, if it happens before the current war is resolved it is going to look extremely suspect and engender a lot of ill will.


If we were concerned with avoiding ill will we'd have disbanded by now.



Drone assist being nerfed would just be fair, long range dread pilots have to manually activate their modules, why shouldn't slowcat pilots have to do the same?



Because a long range fit dread has about 7 times the dps then a sentry carrier with 10 sentry's, also their range is alot longer.
Beekeeper Bob
Beekeepers Anonymous
#78 - 2014-01-01 18:14:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Beekeeper Bob
Slick Phister wrote:
Phyrr wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Phyrr wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Smartbombs: very effective against 320 flights of drones per carrier.


Very effective yes and also very expensive (320 flights of sentries ain't cheap). Used to work back in the day... Smarty fit BS warp in to carrier blob at zero and kill the fighters. I guess it's easier to type a few words in complaint than come up with a counter though...


Carriers refit for smartbombs, combined smartbombs kill the BS fleet.


That was back in the day, replace BS with Carriers. Sorry just because big alliances have issues with one game mechanic, doesn't mean you can ruin it for everyone else. As I said, prove it doesn't work, rather than ignore it.


So, your advice is for someone to feed their entire stockpile of ships into the blob of slowcats to prove that it is OP?
It's already been done. Several times.
For your information, it is not the one who sounds the alarm that is responsible for ruining it for everyone else. It is the one who abused the exploit in the first place.
I'm guessing you still think that nulli should be able to sit behind POS sheilds with their sentries outside shooting?





JAFMA......


And if Drone assist is OP, doesn't that make ISBoxer OP as well?

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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#79 - 2014-01-01 18:17:50 UTC
Phyrr wrote:
Diamond Zerg wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Akrasjel Lanate wrote:
Tetsuo Tsukaya wrote:
Grath has repeatedly insisted that nerfing drone assist wont have an impact on slowcats.

That said, if it happens before the current war is resolved it is going to look extremely suspect and engender a lot of ill will.


If we were concerned with avoiding ill will we'd have disbanded by now.



Drone assist being nerfed would just be fair, long range dread pilots have to manually activate their modules, why shouldn't slowcat pilots have to do the same?


Clicking F1 is no different to clicking deploy drones, the deploying of drones is a manual activity, or did you think they auto deploy, do you even drone son?

Those archons couldn't actually target the things their drones shoot, though.

They also probably won't be able to lock it as fast as their assist trigger too

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#80 - 2014-01-01 18:43:00 UTC
Phyrr wrote:


That was back in the day, replace BS with Carriers. Sorry just because big alliances have issues with one game mechanic, doesn't mean you can ruin it for everyone else. As I said, prove it doesn't work, rather than ignore it.



We have. There are no subcap fleets or tactics that will break one of these carrier fleets. This means that most of playerbase are useless in a fight against these and every single alliance has no hope of ever winning a fight. Only two powers have the ability to beat these and one of them is the party using it.

So, when we talk about "ruining it for everyone else" let get our facts right. CCP have stated time and time again that they will never allow the game to turn into capitals online.