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James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#181 - 2014-01-03 05:31:18 UTC  |  Edited by: James Amril-Kesh
Nullsec Revisionist History 101

(Capswarm Nag was 90 days away for me when Omega fleet was first announced, so you're about right on that mark.)

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#182 - 2014-01-03 05:40:22 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Nullsec Revisionist History 101

(Capswarm Nag was 90 days away for me when Omega fleet was first announced, so you're about right on that mark.)

Were you T2 alphafleetmaelstrom spec back from the ... tracking titan wars?

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James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#183 - 2014-01-03 05:46:04 UTC
I wasn't even in nullsec at that time. I was still playing in highsec when titans were nerfed. I think.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#184 - 2014-01-03 06:05:24 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
I wasn't even in nullsec at that time. I was still playing in highsec when titans were nerfed. I think.

Ah, that would explain it.

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Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
#185 - 2014-01-03 09:32:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Robert Caldera
baltec1 wrote:

And if it is impossible for one of the largest powergroups to take down these carrier fleets with subcaps where does that leave everyone else?
This is very simple, CCP do not want capitals to be invulnerable to subcaps.

Also no, goons did not start with thousands of players.


its not because these ships are invincible but solely because of your inability to field right tools for the job.
Bring a knife to a gun fight then cry on forums for CCPs help.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#186 - 2014-01-03 09:33:55 UTC
This is the best troll thread

my goon tears are gonna destroy my keyboard at any point

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Luwc
State War Academy
Caldari State
#187 - 2014-01-03 09:54:51 UTC
Alphea Abbra wrote:
Andski wrote:
Alphea Abbra wrote:
If CCP decides to "rebalance" drone assisting now, they're doing it because CFC can't win and realised it.
It will have nothing to do with game balance.


Actually, we'd rather see this war through and end your pitiful coalition's existence with drone assist intact so that you chaff won't bleat "we only lost because CCP intervened" until the end of time, but we can't predict what CCP will do!
I'd believe you if it wasn't for the words and actions of your coalition.
Look, I get it, you may have that desire. You personally.
But your collective amount of crying, whining, calls to have X, Y and Z nerfed every time you're at war (Even though you know what would counter X and Y) and the that GSF CEOs are on record for wanting to ruin not the game but our game... Along with, of course, crying foul when others uses tactics that aren't fun for you, but when you're using tactics along the same line it's just good strategy ...

Yeah, it might be that you personally would like a victory without CCPs intervention.
Just be aware that you're in a clear minority when it comes to CFC posters.

The clear majority of CFC posters would like nothing more than a CCP-given victory.


The point of eve online is ruining other peoples joy and fun.
If that would not be that case everybody would be a happy tappy high sec bear.

Now go back to my little pony online.

and we are doing gods work by pointing out broken mechanics in the game.

stop beeing butthurt.

Thank you. good bye

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Markku Laaksonen
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#188 - 2014-01-03 15:31:27 UTC
ElQuirko wrote:
Not to the extent the CFC are whining about it though.


Isn't that literally what's happening here?

"a spider-tanking blob of sentry-drone-assisting carriers"
"one noxious, disgusting package of imbalance."
"these [sentries] are slaved via drone assist to always strike with a perfect alpha volley."
"their assisted sentries can swat frigates out of the sky"
"perfect volleys are impossible unless you happen to be using drone assist ('heh')"
"Omegafleet... cannot achieve a pure 'perfect volley' due to pilots locking at slightly different times - unlike drone assist"
"In a drone assist fleet, every volley is the perfect volley."

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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#189 - 2014-01-03 16:09:06 UTC
Markku Laaksonen wrote:
ElQuirko wrote:
Not to the extent the CFC are whining about it though.


Isn't that literally what's happening here?

"a spider-tanking blob of sentry-drone-assisting carriers"
"one noxious, disgusting package of imbalance."
"these [sentries] are slaved via drone assist to always strike with a perfect alpha volley."
"their assisted sentries can swat frigates out of the sky"
"perfect volleys are impossible unless you happen to be using drone assist ('heh')"
"Omegafleet... cannot achieve a pure 'perfect volley' due to pilots locking at slightly different times - unlike drone assist"
"In a drone assist fleet, every volley is the perfect volley."

GOON TEARS

yep

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Mr Plink
Serbian Goat Love
#190 - 2014-01-03 23:06:56 UTC
All I'm hearing is:

WAAAAAH! MY BLOB OF LITTLE SHIPS CAN'T BEAT YOUR BLOB OF BIG SHIPS!

Maybe you should try bringing a blob of caps yourself? Oh, but that's right...you won't use them because big bad supers might get dropped on you. You'd think after all that time sitting on tech, that sombody would've thought to use that isk to build up a large cap/super fleet.
Alphea Abbra
Project Promethion
#191 - 2014-01-03 23:39:34 UTC
Luwc wrote:
Alphea Abbra wrote:
I'd believe you if it wasn't for the words and actions of your coalition.
Look, I get it, you may have that desire. You personally.
But your collective amount of crying, whining, calls to have X, Y and Z nerfed every time you're at war (Even though you know what would counter X and Y) and the that GSF CEOs are on record for wanting to ruin not the game but our game... Along with, of course, crying foul when others uses tactics that aren't fun for you, but when you're using tactics along the same line it's just good strategy ...

Yeah, it might be that you personally would like a victory without CCPs intervention.
Just be aware that you're in a clear minority when it comes to CFC posters.

The clear majority of CFC posters would like nothing more than a CCP-given victory.


The point of eve online is ruining other peoples joy and fun.
If that would not be that case everybody would be a happy tappy high sec bear.

Now go back to my little pony online.

and we are doing gods work by pointing out broken mechanics in the game.

stop beeing butthurt.

Thank you. good bye
"The point of EVE" is the sandbox.
It allows/enables you to ruin others fun - among a number of things.
Player interaction has the option of being positive for both parties, negative for both parties, irrelevant for both parties, or positive for one, negative for the other - irrelevant for one, positive for the other - negative for one, irrelevant for the other.
Especially since you have the ability to define goals and make judgement yourself. Having fun? You win!

I'm not sure what kind of game My Little Pony Online is, but your knowledge about it has a clear indication of experience, so I'll withhold comment until you tell me more of your experiences with that particular game.
I'm not currently the one crying, bawwing, whining, emulating fountains, lying, bastardising, misrepresenting, crying for CCP to hold my hand or threadnaughting on the forums (All things that various CFC posters have done or attempted). Summed up to a single sentence, what I do is asking the question: "What good reasons do you have to advocate these changes?" - and when met with bad reasons, I point them out.
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Shiti Dama wrote:
... sooooo, stop poking around in other peoples space and go home, problem solved.
Stop playing the game. Right.
That's not really what was being suggested, was it?
Unless the game is "beating your head against the N3 forces, coming out equal or weakened, then whining on forums to get doctrines used by N3 nerfed", you could still log into EVE and play the sandbox.
After all, if you don't like where your circumstances are right now, you can change them!
Such are the powers of the sandbox!

That's just ... not what you're doing. Your ceaseless campaign is akin to the toddler on the beach crying "over there they have one bouncy ball, none of my thirty balls are bouncy, i want a bouncy ball or nobody can have a bouncy ball, mommy fix!"
By all means play the game as you desire, as you find fun. I'll do that too.
But then don't go crying to CCP to get the sandbox changed.
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#192 - 2014-01-04 00:40:27 UTC
Alphea Abbra wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Shiti Dama wrote:
... sooooo, stop poking around in other peoples space and go home, problem solved.
Stop playing the game. Right.
That's not really what was being suggested, was it?
Unless the game is "beating your head against the N3 forces, coming out equal or weakened, then whining on forums to get doctrines used by N3 nerfed", you could still log into EVE and play the sandbox.
After all, if you don't like where your circumstances are right now, you can change them!
Such are the powers of the sandbox!

That's just ... not what you're doing. Your ceaseless campaign is akin to the toddler on the beach crying "over there they have one bouncy ball, none of my thirty balls are bouncy, i want a bouncy ball or nobody can have a bouncy ball, mommy fix!"
By all means play the game as you desire, as you find fun. I'll do that too.
But then don't go crying to CCP to get the sandbox changed.

All I hear is "waaaah let me keep my overpowered toy I swear it's really not that overpowered."

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Shiti Dama
Hull Zero Two
#193 - 2014-01-04 00:50:42 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:

All I hear is "waaaah let me keep my overpowered toy I swear it's really not that overpowered."



oh the irony....
Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#194 - 2014-01-04 01:05:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Infinity Ziona
Markku Laaksonen wrote:
ElQuirko wrote:
Not to the extent the CFC are whining about it though.


Isn't that literally what's happening here?

"a spider-tanking blob of sentry-drone-assisting carriers"
"one noxious, disgusting package of imbalance."
"these [sentries] are slaved via drone assist to always strike with a perfect alpha volley."
"their assisted sentries can swat frigates out of the sky"
"perfect volleys are impossible unless you happen to be using drone assist ('heh')"
"Omegafleet... cannot achieve a pure 'perfect volley' due to pilots locking at slightly different times - unlike drone assist"
"In a drone assist fleet, every volley is the perfect volley."

Goon tears yes, but justifiable tears. In a TiDi environment 'perfect volleys' vs manually activated turrets is a OP advantage.

Edit: Since rebroadcasting mouse clicks (ISBoxer) is not considered an exploit perhaps I could write a networking app that can rebroadcast an FC's F1 to an entire fleet?? Trivial programming task.

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James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#195 - 2014-01-04 01:12:52 UTC
Shiti Dama wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:

All I hear is "waaaah let me keep my overpowered toy I swear it's really not that overpowered."



oh the irony....

I'm sure then that you could provide an example of us having begged CCP not to nerf something that was utterly broken?

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
#196 - 2014-01-04 01:39:08 UTC
from another thread:

I have been thinking about how the CSM wants to nerf drone assist because the mechanic is flawed in their opinion.

For carriers i would say yes it is for sub caps i would say are you nuts!?!?!?

Carriers are a special thing, they have gigantic drone bays and huge corp hangars... which give them an endless supply of drones... that with the huge EHP and RR makes the ship OP.

First I thought well just make a separate drone bay and fighter bay... but that will not solve anything because the carriers will just fill up the CHA with sentries.

so what is the solution?

will they do something silly like remove drone assist all together and **** off allot of people who don’t use slowcats but use drone assist daily for missions and small scale pvp? I sure hope not.

For me Sub cap drone assist is balanced. Sub cap ships are limited in drone bay size and are somewhat squishy.

The only logical solution is to remove the drone bay all together from carriers. kill them with fire.

Carriers have a special drone called fighters. that is what they are supposed to use.

the best thing is fighters cannot be set to assist only to assign.

But MeBiatch does this mean no more sentry carriers?

not at all! What it means is we need a new sentry fighter!!! a new class of fighter that acts half sentry half fighter.

that way you no longer have a infinite amount of sentries that a carrier can field and since the sentry fighters are the size of regular fighters they can be eliminated by shooting them.

There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... CCP Goliath wrote:

Ugh ti-di pooping makes me sad.
Alphea Abbra
Project Promethion
#197 - 2014-01-04 10:47:59 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Shiti Dama wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:

All I hear is "waaaah let me keep my overpowered toy I swear it's really not that overpowered."



oh the irony....

I'm sure then that you could provide an example of us having begged CCP not to nerf something that was utterly broken?
Which would only be a fair request when you first show how f.e. N3 is doing precisely that.
- Begging not to nerf.
- Possible target of nerf is utterly broken.

See, what you're doing here is begging mommy CCP to hold your hands, and when we point that out you tell us we're crying.
Sorry dude, you'll have to try harder.

Smile
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#198 - 2014-01-04 10:56:00 UTC
Alphea Abbra wrote:
Which would only be a fair request when you first show how f.e. N3 is doing precisely that.
- Begging not to nerf.
- Possible target of nerf is utterly broken.

See, what you're doing here is begging mommy CCP to hold your hands, and when we point that out you tell us we're crying.
Sorry dude, you'll have to try harder.

Smile


We are doing the exact same thing we did with tech goo.

Something is broken and needs to be fixed, whining would be making a rage thread to nerf badgers because one killed my dramiel.
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#199 - 2014-01-04 11:00:09 UTC
Alphea Abbra wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Shiti Dama wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:

All I hear is "waaaah let me keep my overpowered toy I swear it's really not that overpowered."



oh the irony....

I'm sure then that you could provide an example of us having begged CCP not to nerf something that was utterly broken?
Which would only be a fair request when you first show how f.e. N3 is doing precisely that.
- Begging not to nerf.
- Possible target of nerf is utterly broken.

See, what you're doing here is begging mommy CCP to hold your hands, and when we point that out you tell us we're crying.
Sorry dude, you'll have to try harder.

Smile

You completely missed the point of my post, first of all.
Second of all, you are crying, because you know it's broken and you're trying in vain to prevent it from being nerfed.
Pointing out that something that's broken is indeed broken is not crying.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Josef Djugashvilis
#200 - 2014-01-04 11:03:12 UTC
Andski wrote:
Alphea Abbra wrote:
If CCP decides to "rebalance" drone assisting now, they're doing it because CFC can't win and realised it.
It will have nothing to do with game balance.


Actually, we'd rather see this war through and end your pitiful coalition's existence with drone assist intact so that you chaff won't bleat "we only lost because CCP intervened" until the end of time, but we can't predict what CCP will do!


Let me help you here Andski, what mittens wants, (drone nerf) he is likely to get, not because he deserves it, but because I have a horrible feeling that CCP may give in to him, as they may confuse what is good for the game overall with the supposed benefit of goon generated publicity for the game.

I sincerely hope I am wrong about this, and that CCP remember that whilst the goons are an important part of the game, they are not, and should not ever be bigger than the game.

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