Ships & Modules

Hi,

I'm looking at a PVE Vargur mainly for missions.

I've come up with the following fit but have a couple of questions.

1. How do people think it should be rigged?
2. Does 650 mil in 'bling' make it a gank target?

Here's the fit:

[Vargur, pve]
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
Gyrostabilizer II
Tracking Enhancer II

Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script
Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script
Shadow Serpentis 100MN Microwarpdrive
Pith A-Type X-Large Shield Booster
Shield Boost Amplifier II
Dread Guristas Adaptive Invulnerability Field

800mm Repeating Cannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma L
800mm Repeating Cannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma L
800mm Repeating Cannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma L
800mm Repeating Cannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma L
Bastion Module I
Small Tractor Beam I
Heavy Diminishing Power System Drain I
Salvager II

[empty rig slot]
[empty rig slot]

Implants
Zainou 'Deadeye' Trajectory Analysis TA-705
Inherent implants 'Squire' Energy Management EM-805
Inherent implants 'Lancer' Gunnery RF-905
Eifyr and Co. 'Gunslinger' Large Projectile Turret LP-1005

Gun Damage - 1087 DPS
Gun Range - 4.7 +75 (4.1 + 69 out of bastion)
Cap Duration - 55s running every thing (1m 36s without mwd)
Shield boost - 3097 per 4s (1604 out of bastion)

Shield Resists
EMP 67.2 (53.1 out of bastion)
Therm 69.4 (56.3 out of bastion)
Kin 73.8 (62.5 out of bastion)
Exp 78.1 (68.8 out of bastion)

- change MWD to a core C-type, not that more expensive and much better on the cap penalty
- drop boost amp for a 3rd TC
- swap pith A for a C
- swap faction invul for T2
- stop bothering with the salvager, you'll kill faster than you can tractor+salvage so doing so will only slow you down making your whole idea of optimising your dps silly, instead fit a second heavy nos
- add T2 burst rig
- Swap the now pretty useless TE for a signal amp


Second rig is an issue due to low calibration and stacking penalties coming out of your ears, there's a bunch of options:

- CCC, obvious but feels a bit of a waste
- T2 shield cap safeguard, kinda the same
- targeting sub controller, yes it hurts your total shield a bit but it doesn't at all affect your... "gankability", but you gain targeting speed which is quite handy in a fast killer like this one.

BTW where in hell is the MJD? its bthe bet module a marauder can fit! saves alot of time getting to far away groups and allow you to play extra greessive in the missions for faster completion

I use a Vargur in O.O farm and do PLex lvl 10 with it:.

First of all, boost your tracking speed will make your DPS a way higher (you don't see difference in eveHQ or other but in real shot).

I prefer 1 tracking computer with optimal range and 1 with tracking speed(And you will 1 shot freg at more than 14Km). You can switch the script.

Instead of faction amo, use Hail short range amo. Tracking match with fall off, that work well at 50-60Km.

I never use bastion. I prefere 2 salvager and 2 tractor beam => fast run.

Just stop using 4 gyrostab...too much stack. 3 is a way enouth.

Put a nano fiber, or a second tracking enhancer.


When war is close:

I use 1 or 2 nano fiber + warp rig + cloaking + sensor booster .

This is more or less what I use these days, with less pimpage (just one RF Gyro and a deadspace LSB, rest T2) and 3 tractors + salvage drones. I have a T2 Burst Aerator rig, and I think I still have a CCC in the second slot. May switch that to a Warp Speed rig. Works great. Swap MWD for MJD in certain missions.

Depending on where you're missioning the Vargur can go from decent to sub optimal compared to the other marauders. Most notibly the T2 Pulse Paladin has the raw dps, range and tracking to out dps the Vargur anywhere and doubly so in Amarr space.

That said however I do run a Vargur myself, in Amarr space and so have adapted to the environment. The majority of Sansha and blood ships (what you'll be facing for the most part) like to orbit relatively far away so what I have done is make a little list. About half the missions you get normally goes into the Arty list, the other half goes into the non-arty list.

Yes, arty Vargur is very much a thing. For example Sansha Blockade everything either spawns at or further away than their orbiting range of around 44km (36-52). Same thing with Guiristas Assault. Incidentally my Arties optimal is at around that. Other missions like gone berserk, mining misappropriation, a lot of the drone missions etc. are all perfectly suited for the arty. As a bonus they are incredibly ammo efficient. I have the 4 guns non grouped so can pop 4 frigs or 2 cruisers/BCs at a time.

There are of course a lot of missions that require the use of ACs most notably Sansha vigilance, WC, merc missions and AE to name a few. I actually use Barrage for AE and it works like a charm.

My fit is pretty close to yours. I use 3 TCs normally with 2 range for ACs and 2 tracking for arties. I switch out the 3rd one when and only when I need a prop mod be it MWD, MJD or AB. Most times I do it in mission with the mobile depo. I use a pith C medium booster and two invul II's instead of the amp. The only mission I have had ANY trouble at all tanking was guiristas assault. I'd swap to mission specific hardeners and a DCU II and perhaps an amp or 3rd hardener. if you hit the trigger they can put out a TON of dps in the last room.

Top I run two tractors and a salvager. It's mostly to help grab the closer wrecks so the MTU can grab the +48km wrecks. I use a flight of 5 salvage drones to salvage all the wrecks and usually finish salvaging at around the same time as the last rat dies.

Rigs I run a T2 burst and a T1 ambit. 69km falloff without bastion and 74km with. Barrage I get more than 110km falloff but is only used in AE as some of the spawns are 70km away. could optimize even more and use Fusion in 1st two rooms and barrage in last two and fusion with MJD in bonus.

I'm mostly missioning in Caldari space and am really loking for a replacement for the machariel i am currently using
(the only large weapon systems I can use is projectiles...).

I did some calculations and have 39k EHP vrs hail ammo; so assuming a gank arty 'nado does 11k damage I think I'm safe
(from commercial ganking) with modules up to the cost of 8 gank 'nados.

Thanks again for your help

there is another one.. will give you a chance to think...

The other reason is that the Mach is about to get nerfed.

Wrong. It has been empirically proven that NPC jamming is affected by your sensor strength. I will dig up the thread when I get the chance.