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[Development] CCP Welcome to the Mobile Era In Gaming

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Ice Dealer
Ice Dealer Corporation
#1 - 2013-12-30 23:30:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Ice Dealer
Almost a whole year ago, I posted this: Updating game interaction: The New Frontier ( https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2517791#post2517791 )

A whole year, and nothing.

I would like for you to consider the following. Perhaps the business people at CCP could see this and put the two together.

Step 1. Hire/Contract 2 people who are Android Devs. Cost: 2x $100,000 USD for a years salary, plus 20% in benefits and other expenses. Total Costs: $220,000. There are many VERY good programmers that exist that would be willing to take a 100k salary to do this project. Pick two good ones that are qualified.

Step 2. Using Extreme Programming Practices ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extreme_programming_practices ) (an Agile software development methodology ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agile_software_development )), develop the following Android App:

This app would support the following, and in order of waterfall ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waterfall_model ) priority:

1. Make the app secure. (If I can do online banking with an app, I should be able to do eve related stuff with far less security)
2. Be able to update Skill Ques of your characters.
3. Have a built in Skill Planning Program. (there are already several examples of community projects, such as EveMon: http://evemon.battleclinic.com/)
4. Be able to view the market, and update orders.
5. Search, create, manage, Contracts.
6. Access a mobile version of these forums.
7. View and manage personal assets.
8. Create a ship fitting tool. (there are already several examples of community projects, such as EFT (Eve fitting Tool: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=24359)
9. Utilize any in-game chat channels. This includes evemails, local chat, alliance chat etc.
10. Ask the community for further development ideas (such as POS tracker, an autopilot function, whatever the community votes for)

Step 3. Sell Product: Have a 2 week free trial, so people get to try before they buy it. Sell an Android app, for $10 USD OR 1 Plex for a lifetime subscription. To recover the original investment of $220,000 USD, you would need to sell 22,000 licences.
Considering that you have somewhere in the neighborhood of 400,000 active subscriptions, you would only need 5.5% of your user-base to purchase this product. This would not include an increase in active subscriptions which may very well happen. Also, an increase in the average "Users Subscription" duration could be achieved. Your marketing department will be able to go over all the possible scenarios.

This entire project should take no longer then 6 months from design to first implementation. Using waterfall lets you implement features as the are created (and immediately launch the product updates), rather then waiting until a fully implemented product is fully created. This is very helpful to gather feedback and confirm product viability.

Here's the bottom line.

Invest a small amount of money, 0.3% of GAR (400,000 active subscriptions, * $15 * 12 months a year = $72,000,000 Gross Annual Revenue), to enhance your user product and gain additional long-term revenues.
Nariya Kentaya
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#2 - 2013-12-31 00:06:16 UTC
so, let people mess with everything in the station theya re docked in without having to login.

yeah, im sure CCP would love to spend alot of money jumping through technical hurdles to allow players to do more without logging into the game, its not like an MMO's metric is unique logins a day or anything
Paranoid Loyd
#3 - 2013-12-31 00:10:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Paranoid Loyd
Don't you hate it when you are trying to sound smarter than everyone and you put a spelling error in your title?

Also, what Nariya said.

"There is only one authority in this game, and that my friend is violence. The supreme authority upon which all other authority is derived." ISD Max Trix

Fix the Prospect!

Ice Dealer
Ice Dealer Corporation
#4 - 2013-12-31 00:12:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Ice Dealer
Nariya Kentaya wrote:
so, let people mess with everything in the station theya re docked in without having to login.

yeah, im sure CCP would love to spend alot of money jumping through technical hurdles to allow players to do more without logging into the game, its not like an MMO's metric is unique logins a day or anything


I'm sorry, but I don't understand what you mean.

If I play on a windows 8 tablet, I am a "unique login". But if I log in through an Android app, I am not?
A player that plays on an Android is still a player, and a player is revenue no matter how they play.
The longer they use the product, the more money CCP makes. The better the product, the more money to be made.

This tool, makes it easier to use their product. Quite frankly, if I could play the full version of eve on my phone, I would.
Kagura Nikon
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#5 - 2013-12-31 00:22:16 UTC
Ice Dealer wrote:
Almost a whole year ago, I posted this: Updating game interaction: The New Frontier ( https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2517791#post2517791 )

A whole year, and nothing.

I would like for you to consider the following. Perhaps the business people at CCP could see this and put the two together.

Step 1. Hire/Contract 2 people who are Android Devs. Cost: 2x $100,000 USD for a years salary, plus 20% in benefits and other expenses. Total Costs: $220,000. There are many VERY good programmers that exist that would be willing to take a 100k salary to do this project. Pick two good ones that are qualified.

Step 2. Using Extreme Programming Practices ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extreme_programming_practices ) (an Agile software development methodology ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agile_software_development )), develop the following Android App:

This app would support the following, and in order of waterfall ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waterfall_model ) priority:

1. Make the app secure. (If I can do online banking with an app, I should be able to do eve related stuff with far less security)
2. Be able to update Skill Ques of your characters.
3. Have a built in Skill Planning Program. (there are already several examples of community projects, such as EveMon: http://evemon.battleclinic.com/)
4. Be able to view the market, and update orders.
5. Search, create, manage, Contracts.
6. Access a mobile version of these forums.
7. View and manage personal assets.
8. Create a ship fitting tool. (there are already several examples of community projects, such as EFT (Eve fitting Tool: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=24359)
9. Utilize any in-game chat channels. This includes evemails, local chat, alliance chat etc.
10. Ask the community for further development ideas (such as POS tracker, an autopilot function, whatever the community votes for)

Step 3. Sell Product: Have a 2 week free trial, so people get to try before they buy it. Sell an Android app, for $10 USD OR 1 Plex for a lifetime subscription. To recover the original investment of $220,000 USD, you would need to sell 22,000 licences.
Considering that you have somewhere in the neighborhood of 400,000 active subscriptions, you would only need 5.5% of your user-base to purchase this product. This would not include an increase in active subscriptions which may very well happen. Also, an increase in the average "Users Subscription" duration could be achieved. Your marketing department will be able to go over all the possible scenarios.

This entire project should take no longer then 6 months from design to first implementation. Using waterfall lets you implement features as the are created (and immediately launch the product updates), rather then waiting until a fully implemented product is fully created. This is very helpful to gather feedback and confirm product viability.

Here's the bottom line.

Invest a small amount of money, 0.3% of GAR (400,000 active subscriptions, * $15 * 12 months a year = $72,000,000 Gross Annual Revenue), to enhance your user product and gain additional long-term revenues.



How many companies have you created and developed that have complete control over a niche market hat is stable for the last 10 years and recognized as leaders in the sector they attuate?

Do not TRY to teach people what to do.

Second.. 100k per year is a WASTE for a game programer. MOSt work for HALF than that and for 80 hours a week.

"If brute force does not solve your problem....  then you are  surely not using enough!"

Kagura Nikon
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#6 - 2013-12-31 00:24:14 UTC
Ice Dealer wrote:
Nariya Kentaya wrote:
so, let people mess with everything in the station theya re docked in without having to login.

yeah, im sure CCP would love to spend alot of money jumping through technical hurdles to allow players to do more without logging into the game, its not like an MMO's metric is unique logins a day or anything


I'm sorry, but I don't understand your logic.

If I play on a windows 8 tablet, I am a "unique login". But if I log in through an Android app, I am not?
A player that plays on an Android is still a player, and a player is revenue no matter how they play.
The longer they use the product, the more money CCP makes. The better the product, the more money to be made.

This tool, makes it easier to use their product. Quite frankly, if I could play the full version of eve on my phone, I would.



then you would not be playing the game as it was made to be playeed. Peopel taht play docked are EXCEPTIOn they are NOT the rule.

"If brute force does not solve your problem....  then you are  surely not using enough!"

Ice Dealer
Ice Dealer Corporation
#7 - 2013-12-31 00:32:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Ice Dealer
Kagura Nikon wrote:

then you would not be playing the game as it was made to be playeed. Peopel taht play docked are EXCEPTIOn they are NOT the rule.


How much of your game time do you spend docked vs in space?
Try docking and seeing what % of local is docked at any given time.

Though, being docked is not the same thing as a mobile application that helps use the product.

Also, I have created software solutions that are older then 10 years. I have managed software teams for 16 years now. Because I hire, I know how much going wages are. At least in the US.
Quote:
1. Mobile applications developer
2012 salary range: $85,000-$122,500
2013 salary range: $92,750-$133,500
Net: 9% increase
Source: http://www.networkworld.com/news/2012/110712-it-salaries-2013-264063.html

EDIT: Also, Glassdoor is a very good reference as well: http://www.glassdoor.com/Salaries/android-developer-salary-SRCH_KO0,17.htm
Arya Regnar
Darwins Right Hand
#8 - 2013-12-31 01:14:56 UTC
I do not support this idea because it further dumbs down eve and makes botting virtually undetectable.

EvE-Mail me if you need anything.

Seranova Farreach
Biomass Negative
#9 - 2013-12-31 01:41:31 UTC
Arya Regnar wrote:
I do not support this idea because it further dumbs down eve and makes botting virtually undetectable.

and Hek knows we dont need more market bots doign the whole 0.01 isk biz.

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Nariya Kentaya
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#10 - 2013-12-31 05:28:53 UTC
Ice Dealer wrote:
Kagura Nikon wrote:

then you would not be playing the game as it was made to be playeed. Peopel taht play docked are EXCEPTIOn they are NOT the rule.


How much of your game time do you spend docked vs in space?
Try docking and seeing what % of local is docked at any given time.

Though, being docked is not the same thing as a mobile application that helps use the product.

Also, I have created software solutions that are older then 10 years. I have managed software teams for 16 years now. Because I hire, I know how much going wages are. At least in the US.
Quote:
1. Mobile applications developer
2012 salary range: $85,000-$122,500
2013 salary range: $92,750-$133,500
Net: 9% increase
Source: http://www.networkworld.com/news/2012/110712-it-salaries-2013-264063.html

EDIT: Also, Glassdoor is a very good reference as well: http://www.glassdoor.com/Salaries/android-developer-salary-SRCH_KO0,17.htm

well, for many years straight i NEVER docked, cause i lived in mid to high-end wormholes.

yaaaay
Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
#11 - 2013-12-31 06:02:16 UTC
Cute wish list. I disagree with all of it. Forget your user experience, what would these features add to the game as a whole?
Barrogh Habalu
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#12 - 2013-12-31 06:06:32 UTC
Why don't go one step further and suggest android client?..
Anyways, all nice and stuff but I don't see CCP caring enough to bother.
Kagura Nikon
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#13 - 2013-12-31 10:21:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Kagura Nikon
Ice Dealer wrote:
Kagura Nikon wrote:

then you would not be playing the game as it was made to be playeed. Peopel taht play docked are EXCEPTIOn they are NOT the rule.


How much of your game time do you spend docked vs in space?
Try docking and seeing what % of local is docked at any given time.

Though, being docked is not the same thing as a mobile application that helps use the product.

Also, I have created software solutions that are older then 10 years. I have managed software teams for 16 years now. Because I hire, I know how much going wages are. At least in the US.
Quote:
1. Mobile applications developer
2012 salary range: $85,000-$122,500
2013 salary range: $92,750-$133,500
Net: 9% increase
Source: http://www.networkworld.com/news/2012/110712-it-salaries-2013-264063.html

EDIT: Also, Glassdoor is a very good reference as well: http://www.glassdoor.com/Salaries/android-developer-salary-SRCH_KO0,17.htm




Then you have no idea about he reality of game development. Game developers are almsot alwasy udnerpaid because they work on a COOL stuff..

You can find professionals that work for 25k per year with far more experience and knowledge than needed to do this application you suggest. I know.. because I select those people.. and they are so plenetiful that only someone completely out of touch would pay 100k for a developer for somethign so meaningles as this app you suggest.

Company I work made something far far more complex than this as a mobile app that handles a much more complex system for professioanl usage on a very sensitive professional area(sorry cannto give precise info because woudl be a breach of rules) . Made far more money in 4 months than you suggest your app woudl do in a year.. and spent less than 50K $ to develop it.

Also.. why in hell they would pay US level salaries? Continue hiring overpaid US developers.. that is surely the best way to make competitive products.

"If brute force does not solve your problem....  then you are  surely not using enough!"

Vesan Terakol
Trollgrin Sadface
Dark Taboo
#14 - 2013-12-31 13:54:17 UTC
I want to point out that there are mobile devices capable (while not perfectly, but this can be sorted out, i guess) of running the full client. Then, why do you even need a minimal version of it?
David Session
Kessel Mining Company
#15 - 2014-01-01 22:01:58 UTC
I've wondered since I started playing why there is no app to change skill que. that **** would be VERY nice. I'd pay prob 25$ for an app that did that.
Preto Black
Solar Clipper Trading Company
#16 - 2014-01-02 03:22:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Preto Black
I just want a mobile version of EveMonAttention
That is an Android app.
Caldari 5
D.I.L.L.I.G.A.F. S.A.S
Affirmative.
#17 - 2014-01-02 03:38:12 UTC
Preto Black wrote:
I just want a mobile version of EveMonAttention
That is an Android app.

iirc Aura does most of the stuff that EveMon does :)
Drake Doe
88Th Tax Haven
#18 - 2014-01-02 04:09:37 UTC
Caldari 5 wrote:
Preto Black wrote:
I just want a mobile version of EveMonAttention
That is an Android app.

iirc Aura does most of the stuff that EveMon does :)

Too bad it can't eve handle simple ship fitting

"The homogenization of EVE began when Gallente and Caldari started sharing a weapon system."---Vermaak Doe-- "Ohh squabbles ohh I love my dust trolls like watching an episode of Maury with less " Is he my Dad " but more of " My Neighbor took a dump on my lawn " good episode! pops more corn" ---Evernub--

Felsusguy
Panopticon Engineering
#19 - 2014-01-02 07:56:00 UTC
Drake Doe wrote:
Caldari 5 wrote:
Preto Black wrote:
I just want a mobile version of EveMonAttention
That is an Android app.

iirc Aura does most of the stuff that EveMon does :)

Too bad it can't eve handle simple ship fitting

I have to agree with this. It's the worst fitting tool I've ever used.

The Caldari put business before pleasure. The Gallente put business in pleasure.

Rivr Luzade
Coreli Corporation
Pandemic Legion
#20 - 2014-01-02 09:06:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Rivr Luzade
"OP" wrote:
develop the following Android App:


And what about Windows Phone users? Or even iOS (tho I couldn't care less about them)? I don't plan having an Android phone at all in the near, middle and distant future, let alone buying one and have yet another real-life money draining contract just for such a EVE app. Roll

Which would immediately prove another post in the thread that it is just not feasible to develop such an app if it isn't accessible for everyone. Blink

UI Improvement Collective

My ridicule, heavy criticism and general pale outlook about your or CCP's ideas is nothing but an encouragement to prove me wrong. Give it a try.

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