Crime & Punishment

as title says.. we have had official response on repeated bumping, what about repeated suicide ganking?
CCP care to comment?
it is typically the same as bumping because both can be disruptive to game play but suicideing can cost a loss of isk and for newer players; a RAGEQUIT.. permanently.

and can you clarify what defines

is there a minimum time limit on how often or how many jumps one must go to have made sufficient effort?
and does it have to be the same person? or members of the same corporation whom are operating on the same extortion racket?

Working as intended

Edit: Ganking is one of the many ways we filter out those not fit for New Eden.

attitudes like that filter out far too many paying people from the system of which ccp gets their cash.
in my time iv heard of complete game quits and near quits because of such activities.

remember.. be nice to newbies.. cause in the end it means more targets for every one..somewhat/mostly on the newbies terms which will raise their enjoyment of the game and make them spend more on eve which the money could/can go back into improving eve for us all

I think you need to remove the "causing newer players to quit" and "where CCP get's their cash" from your argument.

Currently, you cannot grief new players in the rookie systems. This rule has been around for a fair while now, and it does provide a fairly safe environment for newbies to get adjusted to the most rudimentary controls of the game. I personally don't think newer players have anything worth that much anyway.

While I am not a GM nor do I represent CCP, I would say that if you can legitimately justify your ganking in about 15 words or less, then it should be fine as long as it's not a rookie system.

Furthermore, I think that if a player is being repeatedly ganked, then that player should examine their playstyle to see how they can avoid being killed in the future. I am loathe to support some kind of "Well I moved X systems from where you killed me last, therefore you cannot kill me by game rules" catch-all.

I think the best thing you can do is petition a GM with an outline of what you plan to do. Only a GM would really be able to give you a solid answer. Everything I have written is from my own past experiences.

Here is the response!

DAB THE SAND OUT OF YOUR VAGINA AND MAN THE **** UP.

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What most of the people who cry about suicide ganking forgets is that the ganking part also pays for the game... If you cant suicide gank anymore, you also risk losing those subs. I would rather lose subs from the game being a different alternative than any other game, than lose subs because the game is like any other out there. Victims must adapt or leave, thats the nature of the game and if the basic idea behind the game is ruined, I promise you the game will be dead within a year or 2, because there are many space games out there!

The GMs are never going to give a specific answer like "if you make x many jumps and get ganked by the same player, that equals harassment," because hunting specific people or organizations down and killing them is part of the game. There are many legitimate in-game context reasons why you would want to hunt the same guy down and gank him repeatedly over a long period of time. Like, for example, if he persisted in mining in your asteroid belts without a permit.

Harassment and griefing are subjective things. Most people would not consider themselves harassed if they are suicide ganked, even if it happens several times. Some people will file a petition at the drop of a hat. I can recall an incident where a friend and I noticed a guy running Angels missions in Curse in a Talwar. We waited on a gate for him in an Atron and Executioner, both T1 fitted, and killed him without a fight when he jumped into us. We had given him about the fairest fight he will ever be likely to see in nullsec, and he accused us of griefing and threatened to petition us. When I am bumping miners, I am always polite and friendly, yet seldom does a day go by that I am not accused of harassment.

The GMs can only really fairly judge these things in a few ways. Things that definitely cross the line are making out of game threats or extremely inappropriate language or links in chat with the intent to offend, particularly racist or homophobic insults or materials. In short, the blurry line of distinction is between things that affect you in-game and out-of-game. How many jumps somebody made to target you? I can't even imagine that is a factor. If it was, I don't expect that we would have locator agents.

CCP wil never give a har dnumber. OTherwise gankers will just 1 less than the limit.

They treat it case by case and things need to be extreme for them to take measure. IF the gankers are tanking adnvatage because you ar e arich dumb guy that lieks to AP, your problem they will enve rinterfere.

If they hunt you wherever you go abolutely ALWAYS and every tiem you log in the find you to gank you in whatever ship you board.. they might interfere.

If someone finds you, traps you, and then kills you, you need to figure out what happened and how you can prevent this in the future. If you don't, and repeat the same set of actions while the guy who killed you is still in system he will find you, trap you, and kill you again and again until you adapt. That's the way of EVE, whether it's high, low or null sec, and whether you're a miner, explorer, missioner, hauler, or whatever.

On the other hand, once you've learned how not to get found, trapped and killed, the next step is to figure how to appear like a noob, bait him and then kill him. That's when the real fun starts.

Spell Check... CAN YOU USE IT MUTHER ****ER!