Player Features and Ideas Discussion

OP seems to be ok with blobbing the living snot out of people but somehow feels intel isn't fair, OP is also wrong on the mechanics behind it and the fact that it's not Chribba's doing at all. Then you read the OP's corp info and you realise we're dealing with someone who likes to talk a lot and is an attention whore.

In short: not supported, get out.

Just a few thoughts on the matter...

When we get wardec'ed I find the members of the corp in game and add them manually to my watch list with appropriate standings to keep them sorted in my contacts. I used to do this as I saw them flashing red in local or on other Unista's loss mails. Eventually I wised up to our intel list where diligent Unistas got together the name of every WT in the wardec'ing corp/alliance and I add them to my watch list manually. Now our intel list uses eve-who and it's practically automated. It's very convenient, simple, and easy. To take the phrase of some of the player base, eve-who (and tools like it) 'holds my hand and protects me from the evil boogeyman.'

As a side note, eve-central makes playing markets much easier. Why bother placing myself (and alts, because yay alts) where I can view several region's market data when eve-central 'holds my hand' and gives me everything I could ever want with a reasonable level of accuracy?

I use these tools. I appreciate them. But if you're going to respond to the OP with the typical "HTFU' bullshit, then you have to consider. All of these 3rd party tools exist to do something that make our lives much easier. At what point are those tools a convenience and when do they cross the line into 'dumbing down EVE' or 'hand holding'?

Edit: To clarify my position, I don't know the details of how eve-who works. Don't have much of an opinion on the matter.

As others mentioned, EVE Who isn't my site, not sure where OP got that idea from.

But regardless of that, I have a very similar part of eveboard that allows you to check characters over at eb:global.

Here's the problem with your request though. While I fully understand that you feel it has become easier for griefers and others pilots to find out all your members (almost all anyway) the problem with taking it away is that suddenly it's no longer accessible by the public, you, me, someone else with the click of a button.

Instead, certain griefer corps, alliances, solo pilots, anyone that really wants, will start to gather and compile this type of information themselves and hence having an advantage over you that might not there is such a thing, or have the knowledge or money to create or buy it yourself.

How many times haven't people raged about a single entity having the upper hand, be it having private tools, better intel or faster petition times. Go figure how it would look if griefer corp X still were able to keep track of your every member and only them, quite the advantage they got huh?

So while you might feel it is a sucky thing that things like this is public, at least this way your playfield is leveled with them, you can see all their members just as they can see yours, not only one side.


On the point of "access", there's no special access to CCP's data. You or anyone else could just as easily compile data like this, it's just a matter of know-how. There's no special secret database I use to get the data, tbh it's not even possible to query for a full member list of a corporation. It's just a matter of compiling millions of rows with data and group them properly. So you would see data being out of date for that very reason, because a pilot may not be in the same corporation as when the data was retrieved, that would only change once that specific pilot gets its data updated again.

/c

Regarding that EVE-Who site, this is my favourite statement so far:

op...unconfuse me, please.


When did AAv3ry leave corp? They are listed is listed on eve who is. But not on this handy dandy corporate list in your very own site. Is eve who is psychic and this person is yet to join or how old is eve who is data if they left?

Now why you are complaining about about eve who is when your corps links have your roster on your home page....well wtf is up with that and could you unconfuse me here as well.


Want to wear the tinfoil hat you have to join a tin foil corp. Trust me there are many out there. went to a new home, I ask for the location of a jb or safe pos and mr pananoid asks why you asking? Me being a smart ass go because the 20 other pl or goon spies in the alliance may have slacked off, I am just gathering intel on the 1 pos they may have missed. Got some laughs in comms...did not make me friends with mr paranoid though. Oh well.

This answer deserves at least 10 likes and maybe some lols in addition.

Yes, everyone can use. Doesn't mean it's good.

I don't support eve-who being cut off from API feeds.

I do support closing any API feeds whatsoever (safe for those protected, like character info APIs only owner can use). Wanna intel - please jump in your ship, haul your arse there and do it via in-game means.

It uses the API.

Here's how it works: To obtain character information, it hands the character name or id to the API server, which return the character info.

Now what you are asking is, how do they get the name or ID? It's not through API scraping (which is by going id by id though the API ignoring invalid ones).
What they do is they sit characters in popular systems and channels, then they pull all of the names and ids they can out of chat logs, cached portraits, killboards, the forum, pretty much anywhere they can. Once a characters ID is in the list, it will be there forever and will simply update whenever that character changes corp, etc.

It's all standard stuff that anyone can do. They don't have access to the server, you are simply assuming incorrectly. Get over it.

Clearly a face saving move. ;)

Hi folks,

Like Chribba has already said, EveWho isn't his site, its mine. Chribba, take praise in the idea that all eve related websites lead to you! Long live the Veldnaught!

Anyhow, the link is http://evewho.com not the http://www.eve-who.com that is mislinked by OP. I don't know or care who owns eve-who.com, props to them if they come up with something useful.

In any case, all the concerns that were raised in this thread have already been discussed and answered in other threads. Do your research!

Cheers,
Squizz