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Symbolism and Iconography of New Eden
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Telegram Sam
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#21 - 2011-11-17 15:36:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Telegram Sam
Roga Dracor wrote:
Caste and it's symbology\iconography obviously influenced the "Terran culture" that the devs have built.. In that both the Vedic Caste system and the Chinese "Four Occupations" are reflected by the four races of New Eden..

Amarr - Brahmins - Scholars
Caldari - Kshatria - Artisans
Gallente - Vashyas - Merchants
Minmatar - Shudras - Farmers

Could the Jove be the "Untouchables" of the Terran culture?


Interesting! The four races could also fit into the Four Elements of the Zodiac, Western philosophy and alchemy (Earth, Air, Fire and Water). With the outlier Jovians as the unearthly fifth element Ether. Also the Western four aspects of a human being: mind, body, heart and spirit). Whether the devs consciously did it or not, setting up four races with different characteristics does kind of follow the four aspects/elements tradition.
Wyke Mossari
Staner Industries
#22 - 2011-11-17 15:53:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Wyke Mossari
I've made some additions above and still have a lot more notes to go through and add. I agree about Ishukone it looks very much like an Angel fish but couldn't find much semantic association for it. Hysyoda is a bit more interesting and have some material in my notes somewhere.

I'd missed the Deteis symbol and agree that is interesting.

I agree the Intaki symbol does look like an Axe but I'm think it is a stylised lower case " i ". I have a little further material on Intaki, there is an ancient Sufism Poet called Al-Intaki and Al-Antaki but it's difficult getting past all the Eve results when searching with those. Also checkout Idries Shah which doves tails with the idea of 'proto-religions'

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Al Intaki
Abu Kasem Ali Ben Ahmad Al Intaki, is a mathematician and architect known by Al Mujtabi and one of architecture pioneers in the forth Hijri century. He was born in Antioch. Afterwards, he moved to Baghdad and there he lived in the Boweyhies era. He was a peer of Al-Buweyhi and very close to him. Among his works: Al Takht Al Kabir Fi Al Hissab Al Hindi, Tafsir Al arithmatiki (the explication of arithmetics), Tafsir Eclidus (the explication of Euclid), Kitab Fi Al Mukaabat, Kitab Al Mawazin Al ’adadiya alati Ta’mal Li Sehhat A’mal al Hissab. Abu Al Kasem Ali Ben Ahmad Al Intaki died in 376 Hijri in Baghdad.

http://www.alsumaria.tv/haltaalam/EN/episode_details.php?id=18|1


I agree about the idea of 4 cardinals as a recurring theme and that is nice lead for some more digging.
Roga Dracor
Gladiators of Rage
Fraternity.
#23 - 2011-11-20 14:45:34 UTC
I still like the Lingam and Yoni as a interpretation for the Intaki logo..Lol

Course it kinda looks like the BBCode instructions button at the top of the edit page, too..

It's no use going back to yesterday, because I was a different person then, and it's a poor sort of memory that only works backward.
Roga Dracor
Gladiators of Rage
Fraternity.
#24 - 2011-11-20 17:50:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Roga Dracor
[quote=Telegram Sam

Interesting! The four races could also fit into the Four Elements of the Zodiac, Western philosophy and alchemy (Earth, Air, Fire and Water). With the outlier Jovians as the unearthly fifth element Ether. Also the Western four aspects of a human being: mind, body, heart and spirit). Whether the devs consciously did it or not, setting up four races with different characteristics does kind of follow the four aspects/elements tradition.[/quote]

Not only the elements, the number four is rife in human symbology. There is also the Illuminati, Freemasonry and it's conspiratorial association to the Roman Collegium. The former two rely heavily on numbers and symbology in their organization and rites. The Eye of Providence and the Freemason symbols look unusually Amarr..

If we look at the logo for the Theosophical Society we find the Ouroborus surrounding or encompassing a logo, as it "symbolises" that organization lasting for eternity.. If the Jove have a religion, as is said of the Society of Conscious Thought? Dunno, to me it makes sense. There is symbology and iconography in the very thinking patterns of human beings, I believe that is what is being explored here, less the specifics and more the recurring patterns in our existence..

The second Collegium is concerned with the augering (fortune telling) aspects of the behavior and group flying of birds. Caldari?

The last Collegium originally numbered seven. Matari? While all this has little effect on game play, for me, it gives a greater understanding of the society I am supposed to be existing in.

Several thousand years ago humans wrote using symbols that are more ingrained and mainstream today than they were when concieved. Likewise, Several tens of millenia into the future, I would expect some ancient things to be amplified in future society. The facepalm comes to mind.. Twisted or maybe it was the sneeze... or a shrubbery.. Lol

P.S. How many of you looked at the Theosophical Society Logo and immediately thought Nazi because of the Cardinal symbology of the swastika?

The C is equivalent to the number 3 in conspiracy theory circles, 3rd degree of initiation into the order, 11, the double cross in the Euro, for instance brings the number to 33, or the ruling class of the order, if one believes in such things..

A final bit, the Trilateral Commission has always been associated with these conspiracy theories, odd how it's logo is very similar to the Deteis symbol in general layout.

It's no use going back to yesterday, because I was a different person then, and it's a poor sort of memory that only works backward.
Roga Dracor
Gladiators of Rage
Fraternity.
#25 - 2011-11-20 23:35:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Roga Dracor
Looking at some of your own links, Wyke, I noticed this, or this, much closer to the Vherokior symbol..

The dots that appear in a couple logos, such as the Caldari and Ni-Kunni could relate to the Tilaka.

It's no use going back to yesterday, because I was a different person then, and it's a poor sort of memory that only works backward.
Roga Dracor
Gladiators of Rage
Fraternity.
#26 - 2011-11-21 01:28:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Roga Dracor
Just got to thinking, maybe the nautilus was the ancestor to The Hanging Long-limb. Harden the tentacles for land based existence, etc. Or maybe that is the symbol, not a nautilus, at all..

Tried to link The Hanging Long Limb chronicle for the pic, but the forum doesn't like the code...?

It's no use going back to yesterday, because I was a different person then, and it's a poor sort of memory that only works backward.
Telegram Sam
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#27 - 2011-11-21 22:36:16 UTC
There was an issue with parsing this post's BBCode
Telegram Sam
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#28 - 2011-11-22 14:46:05 UTC
/\ /\ /\ I started to comment on Roga's posts, but the Illuminati and/or Trilateral Commission hacked me.
Roga Dracor
Gladiators of Rage
Fraternity.
#29 - 2011-11-23 18:33:33 UTC
Another thought on the Caldari symbol based more upon my own areas of pursuit atm.. ?Caldari?

It's no use going back to yesterday, because I was a different person then, and it's a poor sort of memory that only works backward.
Wyke Mossari
Staner Industries
#30 - 2012-01-07 10:17:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Wyke Mossari
I've made a lot of edits, updates and additions to the first few posts of this thread.

Roga Dracor wrote:
Another thought on the Caldari symbol based more upon my own areas of pursuit atm.. ?Caldari?


Perhaps I think it's closer to this, inverted perhaps as a commentary clue.
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