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Symbolism and Iconography of New Eden

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Wyke Mossari
Staner Industries
#1 - 2011-11-07 10:54:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Wyke Mossari
As I've investigated the mysteries of EVE I become increasingly aware that symbolism and iconography is able to play an important role in providing clues to the puzzle, so I'm starting a thread to reveal my findings and prompt discussion.

Symbolism & Iconography have similar meaning there is I believe an important distinction between the two, so I will define my usage as follows.

Symbolism : The representation of a concept or idea through symbols which convey an underlying meaning or quality.
Iconography : Religious Symbolism used for identification and worship.

Are these important or relevant?
This is a very good question. I not claiming these are all important or even relevant, they are another potential source of clues to the mystery of the EVE backstory. However I do think that many are relevant and some will even turn out to be important. What cannot be missed is a consistency of theme that correlates with themes that have emerged through other lines of inquiry in the past.

Scepticism is good thing but the consistency of recurrent themes is impossible to ignore. The strongest themes to emerge from this is the Amarr iconographic link with Abraham religions, this carries over the similar themes highlighted else where in the archives.

Final Note:
Please bear with me this will result in several long posts and the session time out has been causing me immense irritation, so it will be constructed using numerous small edits over an extended period.
Wyke Mossari
Staner Industries
#2 - 2011-11-07 11:58:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Wyke Mossari
Amarr


Khanid Kingdom
The Khanid Kingdom and Khanid Family. These resemble Saracen Helmets, Russian Onion Dome and Islamic Dome

The Khanid corporations, Khanid Innovation, Khanid Transport, Khanid Works are enclosed within a Trinity Triangle, Invoking the Eye of Providence. The old Khanid family logo included a very clear eye of horus.

Ammatar Mandate
The Ammatar Mandate symbol is a Trinity triangle within an open circle. Invoking the Eye of Providence.
Wyke Mossari
Staner Industries
#3 - 2011-11-07 12:07:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Wyke Mossari
Minmatar
The Minmatar faction symbol is similar to the Golden Spiral as seen in Nautilus shell and a natural occurrence of the
Logarithmic Spiral.


Freedom Extension is similar to the Flaming Chalice, reading the history made me wonder who those two anonymous shareholding are.

The logos of Core Complexion and Minmatar Mining Corporation looks like a stylised Scarab.
Wyke Mossari
Staner Industries
#4 - 2011-11-07 12:07:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Wyke Mossari
Gallente

The Federal 'Eagle' seems most likely to have been inspired by the French Imperial Eagle, which was inspired from the Roman Aquila.

The Gallente Supreme Court positions the Federal 'Eagle' above crossed swords indicating that Federalism is paramount over arms. The swords are also crossed point downwards which indicates the fight is over in Heraldry.

The Gallente Senate the Federal 'Eagle' has a halo of 12 golden five-pointed stars. In Heraldry a halo/circle of stars is symbolic of unity or solidarity.

The Bank of Luminaire looks like a coffee bean and is similar to ying-yang.

Poteque Pharmaceuticals

The University of Caille logo looks like an Oak Tree. The Gallente have previously been linked to the Galatia Celts who particularly venerate the Oak tree and were resident in modern day Anatolia the likely orgins of the Garden Eden mythology. The Tree of Knowledge and/or Tree of Life.

The Jin Mei Dragon and various Asian Dragons.
Wyke Mossari
Staner Industries
#5 - 2011-11-07 12:08:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Wyke Mossari
Caldari

The Mordus Legion bears a striking similarity with the Double-headed eagle, particularly the eagles on the flags of Albania and Montenegro.

State and Region Bank (NPC corporation) similar to Water in The Fifth Element.

Lai Dai Corporation is perhaps a Lunar Eclipse.

Sukuuvestaa Corporation is similar to the Fallout Shelter Sign which is a form of Trefoil perhaps a stylised Shamrock.

Ishukone Corporation looks like an angel fish. Kaalakiota Corporation could also be related.

Hyasyoda Corporation looks like a styled flame and is similar to the Sacred Fire and Flaming Chalice.
Wyke Mossari
Staner Industries
#6 - 2011-11-07 12:08:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Wyke Mossari
Others

The Sisters of Eve and SOE Chronicle. A Circle broken into three parts is similar to the life-cyle of the Triple Goddess. Maiden, Mother & Crone.

The Horned God pre-history paganism seems to feature in several pirate factions, including the Blood Raiders.

The The Angels while similar to the Horned god seems to be closer to Taurus associated with Mercury


The Society of Conscious Thought looks like a Zia Pueblo Sun Symbol which symbolises the Sun and 4 cardinal directions, seasons and ages of man.
Telegram Sam
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#7 - 2011-11-07 21:39:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Telegram Sam
The Intaki symbol hints at the ceremonial double-headed axe of ancient Crete's bull-worship religion and ancient Near Eastern religions. Or, looking at the solid parts instead of the vacant part, its similar to the way the Egyptian sky goddess Nut is portrayed as curving over the earth god Geb. Maybe.... Smile

Gallente Jin-Mei dragon is a pretty straightforward Chinese dragon, representing power, intelligence, magic, weather and the water element.

The ethnic Gallente eagle symbol seems to be directly from the European imperial eagle, which of course derives from the Roman imperial eagle. Which, going back further, may derive from Jupiter, the king of the gods and the god of the sky, lightning and the paternal/masculine fertility aspect, and kingship/dominion.
Esan Vartesa
Samarkand Financial
#8 - 2011-11-10 19:13:44 UTC
Wyke Mossari wrote:
As I've investigated the mysteries of EVE I become increasingly aware that symbolism and iconography is able to play an important role in providing clues to the puzzle, so I'm starting a thread to reveal my findings and prompt discussion.


Wyke, when trying to piece together a puzzle, one of the essential steps is making sure that all your pieces actually came from the same box.

I see at least one instance above where an icon was created by a player, and not by CCP. It's quite possible that Eve lore is positively littered with such cases.

Does that make this exercise futile? Of course not. But I humbly suggest you stop trying to "figure out" the puzzle, and instead start appreciating the mosaic.

Construct, don't deconstruct.
Roga Dracor
Gladiators of Rage
Fraternity.
#9 - 2011-11-11 05:07:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Roga Dracor
[quote=Telegram Sam]The Intaki symbol hints at the ceremonial double-headed axe of ancient Crete's bull-worship religion and ancient Near Eastern religions. Or, looking at the solid parts instead of the vacant part, its similar to the way the Egyptian sky goddess Nut is portrayed as curving over the earth god Geb. Maybe.... Smile

The Intaki symbol is a closed circle, generally symbolising eternity. The Lingam at the bottom is a representation of Shiva, god of rebirth. I have no clue why the solar disc surmounts it? It could actually represent the Yoni, or, female counterpart to the Lingam. Blink


The Ni-Kunni, and quite possibly the Achuran display the Ouroborus, the raw depiction of eternity, that is also represented by an unbroken circle. Poteque also uses the Ouroborus.

It's no use going back to yesterday, because I was a different person then, and it's a poor sort of memory that only works backward.

Roga Dracor
Gladiators of Rage
Fraternity.
#10 - 2011-11-11 05:43:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Roga Dracor
The True Amarr and Emperial logo loosely represent the World Tree, Ygdrassil, etc.. If I got Symbols of the Faith correctly, it loosely implies that the Amarr have put themselves before God in their zeal to serve him, and thus the secretive 5th? symbol, that doesn't exist, bears an older variant of the symbol, or an added piece, that the Amarr clergy don't want seen.


Speaking of symbolism, am I the only one who wonders why it is called the REclaiming?

It's no use going back to yesterday, because I was a different person then, and it's a poor sort of memory that only works backward.

Jowen Datloran
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#11 - 2011-11-11 07:55:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Jowen Datloran
You could read the Book of Reclaiming, Roga.

EDIT: Or read this entry in the Lorebook: link

Mr. Science & Trade Institute, EVE Online Lorebook 

Roga Dracor
Gladiators of Rage
Fraternity.
#12 - 2011-11-12 00:50:46 UTC
The Lorebook is more telling thank you, I always thought it was a more recent term, thx for clarifying..

It's no use going back to yesterday, because I was a different person then, and it's a poor sort of memory that only works backward.

Telegram Sam
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#13 - 2011-11-14 16:09:56 UTC
Esan Vartesa wrote:
[quote=Wyke Mossari]

(Excerted quote) I see at least one instance above where an icon was created by a player, and not by CCP. It's quite possible that Eve lore is positively littered with such cases.

But if the icon was posted in Evelopedia, it's official canon, no? The CCP wiki admins reviewed and allowed the posts, correct? Or am I wrong about Evelopedia?
Jowen Datloran
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#14 - 2011-11-14 17:08:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Jowen Datloran
No, I believe the admins only check if you are posting offensive, copyrighted or otherwise "illegal" material on the wiki.

I do not think the wiki admins know enough about EVE prime fiction to determine what player created fiction that might go against it, and it likely is not their job either.

Of course, when stuff on the wiki is posted by CCP personnel it is fairly certain to consider prime fiction/canon.

Mr. Science & Trade Institute, EVE Online Lorebook 

Wyke Mossari
Staner Industries
#15 - 2011-11-14 18:18:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Wyke Mossari
Esan Vartesa wrote:
[quote=Wyke Mossari]
I see at least one instance above where an icon was created by a player, and not by CCP. It's quite possible that Eve lore is positively littered with such cases.


Can you be more specific about which logos you believe are player created, the only one of uncertain provenance is the one that is identified as an old Khanid family logo. I have queried it's original up-loader. Not all player loaded content is player created, a lot of content has be transferred from other parts of Eve, the website, fan-pack and game into the wiki.

My belief is the rest are certainly official NPC Corp logo in current use.
Publius Valerius
AirGuard
LowSechnaya Sholupen
#16 - 2011-11-15 01:53:33 UTC
Hi Wyke Mossari

Yes I had made the "old Khanid Family logo". I had made there during the time when I created the Ammatar and Khanid Corp sides and I needed a pic with a black backround... (not grey or light black) so I made that pic.... I had some problems with the corp template so I work with some differnt versions....

(sadly I cant somehow link themX (BBCode)... just see on the early contributions is the Template:NPCCorporationInfo2 and the Template:NPC (corporation) etc...

I had talk with CCP Ginger on the Lai Dai Corporation (NPC Corp v2 Test) Talk Page about that (The new templates)... during that time the pic was already up... and in use in the Khanid Family Page.. so I think it is okay... and no problem....

P.S. I had made the Khanid Family pic too Lol funny that nobody had sreem about it... I had made it from the Khanid Kingdom or Royal Navy pic.. and the pcs on the Emperor and on the Privy Council page...


I would love to have those classes ingame. See here:

http://www.colbertnation.com/the-colbert-report-videos/376566/march-07-2011/joshua-foer

Emily Florence Nightingale
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#17 - 2011-11-15 13:16:22 UTC
Really interesting stuff here.

But, i'm not sure it show much more than the fact CCP did alot of cultural research

Still, interesting stuff

good post
Telegram Sam
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#18 - 2011-11-16 16:47:04 UTC
The Caldari symbols seem to be an exception, in that they're simply derived from the Roman alphabet. The Caldari State's symbol pretty plainly looks like a Roman alphabet C (for "Caldari"). It's also somewhat similar to the symbol for the euro dollar. Which would cleverly fit into the idea of Caldari being a commercial/corporate state.

The Nugeoeihuvi corp symbol looks the Roman letters NOH. Apparently letters taken from the corp's name.

The Kaalakiota corp symbol looks like a couple of runes, or Mesopotamian cuneiform, or the Japanese hiragana characters for the syllable ku. But they're probably just two stylized Roman alphabet Ks (for the two Ks in the name Kaalakiota). Maybe made Japanese-looking because of the Caldari language Finnish-Japanese connection?

Ishukone's three crescents appear to be just an abstract corporate logo graphic. But they're similar to the Japanese hiragana character for shi, which with the character for yu would from the shu in Ishukone. Seems like kind of a stretch, though.

These symbols are all official lore , from the eveonline.com Backstory pages.

If these symbols are indeed from the Roman alphabet, it stands to reason that that that alphabet is still used in New Eden.
Roga Dracor
Gladiators of Rage
Fraternity.
#19 - 2011-11-17 00:43:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Roga Dracor
I have had the most difficulties in finding the symbology of the Caldari, if there really is any..Blink

The Euro symbol looks the most feasible to me as the inspiration. Was the symbol being tossed around back then? This poor Yankee couldn't say. Though the five pointed star is well represented, too, it is generally viewed as having a military connotation, further evidence of the caste system I proposed long ago..

The Deteis symbol seems to draw from Celtiberian script and the Civire seems to mimic Japanese (and other) military ribbons. I was also suprised to find that the mirror is very important in Japanese culture..

The Ishukone Symbol looks like an angel fish, to me..

Hyasyoda logo is a stylized flame in circle..

Suvee has the stylized trilateral symmetry that is shared with the Deteis symbol, which itself shares an odd similarity to the Tash Murkon family crest, who are Udorian by ancestry.

Much of the Minmatar symbolism is based on the nautilus and is of bilateral symmetry. The Vherokior symbol is the only one that varies far from the nautilus norm. It appears to represent a object of some sort encased in flames, with three distinct marks in the upper flames.

The Bank of Luminaire uses a reversed cancer sign (astrology).

The Ni Kunni symbol also bears a striking resemblance to the Caldari seal..

It's no use going back to yesterday, because I was a different person then, and it's a poor sort of memory that only works backward.

Roga Dracor
Gladiators of Rage
Fraternity.
#20 - 2011-11-17 02:42:39 UTC
Caste and it's symbology\iconography obviously influenced the "Terran culture" that the devs have built.. In that both the Vedic Caste system and the Chinese "Four Occupations" are reflected by the four races of New Eden..

Amarr - Brahmins - Scholars
Caldari - Kshatria - Artisans
Gallente - Vashyas - Merchants
Minmatar - Shudras - Farmers

Could the Jove be the "Untouchables" of the Terran culture?

It's no use going back to yesterday, because I was a different person then, and it's a poor sort of memory that only works backward.

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