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Why not a Nyx?
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Luna Ironmind
#1 - 2013-12-29 01:15:20 UTC
I've had my eye on the Nyx ever since I read about it in the eve books, but everyone in my corp advises me not to. Why not? I know there are a lot of requirements but what's wrong with it?

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Liam Inkuras
Furnace
#2 - 2013-12-29 01:32:11 UTC
Because a Nyx is a super carrier, thus it cannot dock, jump through gates, or deploy normal drones. It also costs a cool 20bill

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Forest Archer
State War Academy
Caldari State
#3 - 2013-12-29 01:32:59 UTC
All motherships are tombs for toons as you can not dock it.

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Luna Ironmind
#4 - 2013-12-29 01:42:23 UTC
I see... then how would i switch ships? Leave it in dead space then head to station?

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Zahara Cody
Imperial Corrections Service.
#5 - 2013-12-29 01:56:36 UTC
I'd say you are well on your way to owning one.

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Ptraci
3 R Corporation
#6 - 2013-12-29 01:56:55 UTC
Luna Ironmind wrote:
I see... then how would i switch ships? Leave it in dead space then head to station?


You would have a second character with the bare minimum of skills to sit in the Nyx (called a "holding char") and switch to that when you want to fly something else with your main. OR you can leave the Nyx in a CSAA (Capital Ship Assembly Array) at a POS. Or you could just leave it at one of your POSes so long as no one else has the password.

Do be aware however that once people realize you have a supercarrier or a titan, people tend to add you to their watchlist, use locator agents to find you, etc. Supers are also fairly slow to align and warp, and yet they can be scanned almost instantly. I had a friend who was scanned out the moment he logged in, and was bumped before he could complete his "emergency warp" back to a "safe spot" until a hictor showed up and bubbled/put an infinite point on him. I believe that this is an exploit now, but it has happened. People will go to great lengths for a super kill.
Lady Naween
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#7 - 2013-12-29 02:04:19 UTC
Ptraci wrote:
I believe that this is an exploit now, but it has happened. People will go to great lengths for a super kill.


it is in deed an exploit now.

Also op supers takes a LOT of Skill Points to fly. im approaching 60million SP on Lady and I cant even fly a regular capital ship much less a super, sure if you just make a beeline for a super you can make it in a year or so of dedicated training but then your char is stuck with only being able to fly that ship. and then how will you make money and even pvp most of the time? As apart from Pandemic Legion most of us dont drop supers all that often.
Obunagawe
#8 - 2013-12-29 02:12:41 UTC
Lady Naween wrote:

Also op supers takes a LOT of Skill Points to fly. im approaching 60million SP on Lady and I cant even fly a regular capital ship much less a super, sure if you just make a beeline for a super you can make it in a year or so of dedicated training but then your char is stuck with only being able to fly that ship. and then how will you make money and even pvp most of the time? As apart from Pandemic Legion most of us dont drop supers all that often.


Most supercarriers are driven by chars which never leave the ship - so there's little point NOT beelining a super.
Lady Naween
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#9 - 2013-12-29 02:42:36 UTC
Obunagawe wrote:
Lady Naween wrote:

Also op supers takes a LOT of Skill Points to fly. im approaching 60million SP on Lady and I cant even fly a regular capital ship much less a super, sure if you just make a beeline for a super you can make it in a year or so of dedicated training but then your char is stuck with only being able to fly that ship. and then how will you make money and even pvp most of the time? As apart from Pandemic Legion most of us dont drop supers all that often.


Most supercarriers are driven by chars which never leave the ship - so there's little point NOT beelining a super.


*shrugs* not my experience but.. :)
Fal Shepard
Fraternity.
#10 - 2013-12-29 03:23:27 UTC
Soo... Nyx is like a magnet to bullets? Regardless of zone?

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Luna Ironmind
#11 - 2013-12-29 03:24:35 UTC
So it would seem.

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Forest Archer
State War Academy
Caldari State
#12 - 2013-12-29 03:37:47 UTC
I would say it is more like painting a huge target on your back and would suggest waiting until you have experience using a normalcarrier first. To at least understand the basics and then image being unable to dock.

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Solai
Doughfleet
Triglavian Outlaws and Sobornost Troika
#13 - 2013-12-29 06:05:29 UTC
If I had a high confidence that you posessed a Nyx, I would add you to my contacts watchlist so that I know whenever you log in.
And perhaps I'd try and sniff out your general location. And then I'd nail down exactly where your Nyx is held. And then I'd see about setting up a trap.

As a rough analogy, supers are about as fun, gameplay-wise, as caretaking a spouse, kids and a mortgage. I'm sure it has it's occasional moments, but you're opening a rather significant can of worms, in terms of how your playtime is affected. For this reason there are characters, and then there are super-characters. One of them gets logged in, and used as a main. The other tends to stay offline except for during alliance operations.

If you're still not totally dissuaded, consider buying a supercap character instead of utilizing your main.
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#14 - 2013-12-29 08:53:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Petrus Blackshell
For all the above reasons, if you want to play with a big drone-y ship, just use a Thanatos instead. You lose the fighter bombers, but you gain:

  • Regular drones
  • Ability to dock (and thus survive without a POS)
  • Several billion ISK less in cost
  • Less attention from people wanting to kill you
  • Your corp's support (most likely). A carrier is almost always an asset. A supercarrier is a responsibility and possible liability.


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J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#15 - 2013-12-29 09:46:34 UTC
Luna Ironmind wrote:
I've had my eye on the Nyx ever since I read about it in the eve books, but everyone in my corp advises me not to. Why not? I know there are a lot of requirements but what's wrong with it?


1. Learn about capitals first before you train for them.

2. Nyx is a super carrier which means:

2.1 It can't dock
2.2 It has a very very limited use
2.3 It needs a LOT of backup otherwise it's just a fancy lossmail.

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J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#16 - 2013-12-29 09:47:38 UTC
Luna Ironmind wrote:
I see... then how would i switch ships? Leave it in dead space then head to station?



That´s the point...you don´t switch ships.

Or you train up a 2nd character on a 2nd account to be a Nyx holding character, and keep it logged off unless you really need the Nyx.

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Haedonism Bot
People for the Ethical Treatment of Rogue Drones
#17 - 2013-12-29 13:32:18 UTC
If you need to ask in New Citizens Q&A whether or not you should buy a supercap, then maybe that's a clue that you shouldn't buy a supercap.

But hey, it's a game, do what you want. I'll even offer my services as a trusted third party for the transaction.

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Machiavellian Space Bastards
#18 - 2013-12-29 15:39:02 UTC
Luna Ironmind wrote:
I've had my eye on the Nyx ever since I read about it in the eve books, but everyone in my corp advises me not to. Why not? I know there are a lot of requirements but what's wrong with it?

Because it's a coffin like all the other supercarriers. It's rare for a character to leave one except via an explosion.

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

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Elena Thiesant
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#19 - 2013-12-29 16:11:58 UTC
Also bear in mind that you can't just buy one off the market. Since they can't dock, they can't be sold on market or contracts. They can only be built by sov-holding corps in nullsec. Plus, of course, you need a cyno alt or someone you really, really, really trust.
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#20 - 2013-12-29 17:49:01 UTC
Elena Thiesant wrote:
Also bear in mind that you can't just buy one off the market. Since they can't dock, they can't be sold on market or contracts. They can only be built by sov-holding corps in nullsec. Plus, of course, you need a cyno alt or someone you really, really, really trust.


Fixed it.

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