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why do battleships and caps cannot fight frigates??
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Aiwha
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#41 - 2013-12-27 00:17:05 UTC
You can fit small turrets to a battleship.


Its just ******* stupid.

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Pix Severus
Empty You
#42 - 2013-12-27 00:19:04 UTC
My troll senses are tingling, but I'll bite. The reason OP's suggestion would never happen is because everyone would just use larger ships, there'd be no point in training for smaller ships if you could train for a dread and swat all the flies.

Also newbies would find themselves completely ineffective in PvP until they had months of skill training under their belt.

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Reaver Glitterstim
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#43 - 2013-12-27 00:25:48 UTC
NEONOVUS wrote:
You do know it was already pointed out the exhaust was present as "particles" which were loosely described as stellar plasma like.
So do you see the exhaust from Sol?

It's hard to miss the stuff, and that stuff is all spread out, not all clogged up at one tiny duct.

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Jill Chastot
WE FORM BL0B Inc.
Goonswarm Federation
#44 - 2013-12-27 00:26:20 UTC
Reaver Glitterstim wrote:
I can't quote properly and only chose to leave in what i want weeeeeeeeeee


I refer to him requesting a damage bonus to fitting undersized weapons. So you can learn to quote properly thanks

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Magna Mortem
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#45 - 2013-12-27 00:28:57 UTC
Three pages already. So many morons ...
Logan Revelore
Symbiotic Systems
#46 - 2013-12-27 00:29:22 UTC
Petrus Blackshell wrote:
has anyone heard of point defense?? I mean come on look at other scifi. Star wars? Star trek? any big ship has special turrents to fight and kill small fighters and other such things..... EVEN DEATH STAR.

Why not add new slot tipe along with hi/med/low: 'point def' slot that is to trade power from main guns to smaller guns so your not HELPLESS if a frigate tackles ur dread??

whos with me Big smile


Just fit medium/small blasters/rails/missiles whatever, or get your drones to do the frigate killing?
Reaver Glitterstim
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#47 - 2013-12-27 00:32:30 UTC
Jill Chastot wrote:
Reaver Glitterstim wrote:
Jill Chastot wrote:
Reaver Glitterstim wrote:
I'd like to see battleships able to get weapon bonuses when fitting medium or small weapons...


Stop thinking about solo eve, its multiplayer game and the implications on fleet warfare from this would be horrific.

Lol I'm sure that would happen...


I refer to him requesting a damage bonus to fitting undersized weapons. So you can learn to quote properly thanks

I like to trim the fat rather than post quotenoughts like so many others do. And please do explain how allowing battleships to gain weapon bonuses from frigate weapons will unbalance large fleet warfare?

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Magna Mortem
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#48 - 2013-12-27 00:35:53 UTC
Petrus, you really deserve more likes for your ability to bait these zombies.
Logan Revelore
Symbiotic Systems
#49 - 2013-12-27 00:40:39 UTC
Magna Mortem wrote:
Petrus, you really deserve more likes for your ability to bait these zombies.


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Jill Chastot
WE FORM BL0B Inc.
Goonswarm Federation
#50 - 2013-12-27 00:43:14 UTC
Lets say an average 150mm autocannon does what? 50dps? (not efting this here)

Then we multiply that to 8 (for ships that have 8 slots), that being 400 dps, add various other lowslot modifiers and implants, now if you have even a 50% damage increase thats 600 with frigate tracking. Plus drones.

Now everyones flying battleships because frigates are not exactly well renowned for their ability to withstand large amounts of punishment.

See where im getting at here?

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Xavier Higdon
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#51 - 2013-12-27 01:13:37 UTC
You want a more realistic game? Go play Aurora 4X. They have CIWS you can use.
Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#52 - 2013-12-27 01:27:26 UTC
drones, look them up.

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PowerCow Farm
#53 - 2013-12-27 01:41:40 UTC
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NEONOVUS
Mindstar Technology
Goonswarm Federation
#54 - 2013-12-27 02:23:04 UTC
Reaver Glitterstim wrote:
NEONOVUS wrote:
You do know it was already pointed out the exhaust was present as "particles" which were loosely described as stellar plasma like.
So do you see the exhaust from Sol?

It's hard to miss the stuff, and that stuff is all spread out, not all clogged up at one tiny duct.

You mean just like a well maintained car's exhaust?
Because unless I get out a schlerian camera or start pulsing a LASER through, that exhaust is transparent in the visible wavelengths.
Raven Shyanne
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#55 - 2013-12-27 02:24:55 UTC
The real problem is that I can't fit large turrets on my frigate.
Lors Dornick
Kallisti Industries
#56 - 2013-12-27 02:30:56 UTC
Petrus Blackshell wrote:
has anyone heard of point defense??

All BS in Eve can fit weapons that work just fine as point defense and that can kill of small ships/drones very easily.

If people decide to remove part of their heavy DPS to gain some point defense against small ships or drones is a different question.

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Knights Armament
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#57 - 2013-12-27 02:32:06 UTC
in reality though larger lasers would be harder to evade than smaller lasers, because lasers are an energy beam moving at lightspeed thats just one constant stream of energy. So wider ranged lightspeed moving light beams would be difficult to avoid.

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Lors Dornick
Kallisti Industries
#58 - 2013-12-27 03:01:38 UTC
Knights Armament wrote:
in reality though larger lasers would be harder to evade than smaller lasers, because lasers are an energy beam moving at lightspeed thats just one constant stream of energy. So wider ranged lightspeed moving light beams would be difficult to avoid.

And this is related to your original question how?

Can battleships and/or capitals fit point defense weapons to deal with small craft? Yes.
Can they do that without sacrificing maximum DPS? No.
Is there any reason why a battleship and/or capital should be able to mount point defense without sacrificing maximum DPS? No.

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Eurydia Vespasian
Storm Hunters
#59 - 2013-12-27 03:22:11 UTC
why do forum readers cannot reply to troll threads??
Barbara Nichole
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#60 - 2013-12-27 03:30:18 UTC
The idea was not so much to make fights realistic as it was to give frigates and other smaller vessaels a reason to be used in conjunction with the battleships and caps. Like it or not.

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