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why do battleships and caps cannot fight frigates??
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Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#21 - 2013-12-26 21:27:09 UTC
Tippia wrote:
You mean those two instances where huge structures (star destroyers, death stars, borg cubes, God) get blown to smithereens by small craft?

There's a reason the Death Star carried a complement of 9,000 TIE fighters: because X- and Y-wings were so fast they evaded the turbo lasers…



Yeah, true, but then again, there was this aesthetic choice by the architect of the death star where this small exposed thermal exhaust vent, located slightly below the main vent but no bigger than a womprat, where you can shoot a proton torpedo in it and the whole thing explodes. I know..major design flaw, but they totally could have covered it up with plywood, but would have looked terrible, and the empire had to think about resale value, plus it was guarded by towers and you had to skim along a trench to get to it, so hey, totally worth the extra thermal venting.

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#22 - 2013-12-26 21:32:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
Yeah, true, but then again, there was this aesthetic choice by the architect of the death star where this small exposed thermal exhaust vent, located slightly below the main vent but no bigger than a womprat, where you can shoot a proton torpedo in it and the whole thing explodes. I know..major design flaw, but they totally could have covered it up with plywood, but would have looked terrible, and the empire had to think about resale value, plus it was guarded by towers and you had to skim along a trench to get to it, so hey, totally worth the extra thermal venting.

Well, hey, it worked, remember? Pretty much everything that entered that trench got blown up.

Not even a targeting computer could hit that kind of target. I mean, it would require some kind of supernatural intervention from a dead religion to make such an impossible shot, and surely everyone has outgrown such silly superstitions.

That last guy would have bought it too if everyone weren't too busy looking at countdown screens and pulling levers to notice that a hulking big (and curiously well-armed) transport ship had entered the scene to take potshots at the Emperor's special envoy. It was obviously all an inside job anyway.
Udoorin Kashuken
Doomheim
#23 - 2013-12-26 21:35:16 UTC
If you're in a fleet without small ship support or fast tackle, you're doing it wrong. Learn how to play before you whine on the forums.

Also, smartbombs.

Also, drones.

Also, carriers can take out frigs just fine. 10 Hobgoblin II's will wreck any frigate. Cruisers and battlecruisers? Hammerhead the heck out of emm.
Reaver Glitterstim
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#24 - 2013-12-26 21:37:44 UTC
Shaden Nightwalker wrote:
I am deeply sorry for your helplessness against frigates.

In case you are serious: (intentionally left blank)
I think he feels battleships are helpless against his frigates, and wants a bigger challenge.

Of course if battleships had point defense turrets, they would also need larger crew complements. In real life there is balance in their size by their price and the logistics involved in running them. But real life is less balanced than EVE anyway. In real life, battleships are the I-WIN ship, and navies that don't have enough battleships lose the fight.

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Omega Sunset
Black.Omega
#25 - 2013-12-26 21:40:50 UTC
Petrus Blackshell wrote:
why do battleships and caps cannot fight frigates??
Well, that can happen when you drink too much, wake up in the morning at the toilet with barf all over the place, and you left EVE running all night afk, right?

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Reaver Glitterstim
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#26 - 2013-12-26 21:47:01 UTC
I'd like to see battleships able to get weapon bonuses when fitting medium or small weapons. It wouldn't be overpowered, but it might make for some interesting bait ships. Fit small autocannons to a tempest and wait till that interceptor gets close and thinks he's got you...*pew pew*BWACKSHCKKXX!!! and that's how it all goes down.

And then the gank fleet catches up with you anyway and you lose your tempest but it was worth it.

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Frostys Virpio: "We have to give it to him that he does put more effort than the vast majority in his idea but damn does it sometime come out of nowhere."
Sky' Darkstar
Magnetar Dynamics
#27 - 2013-12-26 21:48:54 UTC
0/10

-Sky'
Jill Chastot
WE FORM BL0B Inc.
Goonswarm Federation
#28 - 2013-12-26 21:53:44 UTC
Reaver Glitterstim wrote:
I'd like to see battleships able to get weapon bonuses when fitting medium or small weapons. It wouldn't be overpowered, but it might make for some interesting bait ships. Fit small autocannons to a tempest and wait till that interceptor gets close and thinks he's got you...*pew pew*BWACKSHCKKXX!!! and that's how it all goes down.

And then the gank fleet catches up with you anyway and you lose your tempest but it was worth it.


Stop thinking about solo eve, its multiplayer game and the implications on fleet warfare from this would be horrific.

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NEONOVUS
Mindstar Technology
Goonswarm Federation
#29 - 2013-12-26 21:58:01 UTC
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
Tippia wrote:
You mean those two instances where huge structures (star destroyers, death stars, borg cubes, God) get blown to smithereens by small craft?

There's a reason the Death Star carried a complement of 9,000 TIE fighters: because X- and Y-wings were so fast they evaded the turbo lasers…



Yeah, true, but then again, there was this aesthetic choice by the architect of the death star where this small exposed thermal exhaust vent, located slightly below the main vent but no bigger than a womprat, where you can shoot a proton torpedo in it and the whole thing explodes. I know..major design flaw, but they totally could have covered it up with plywood, but would have looked terrible, and the empire had to think about resale value, plus it was guarded by towers and you had to skim along a trench to get to it, so hey, totally worth the extra thermal venting.

You do realize that was the only vent on it right?
As in they reduced everything to a single vulnerable peice to which they could only try and kill every SOB that looked at it and had a bloody wizard and his elite guard joining in to make the killing magically carnagirous?
loco coco
#30 - 2013-12-26 22:11:16 UTC
NEONOVUS wrote:
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
Tippia wrote:
You mean those two instances where huge structures (star destroyers, death stars, borg cubes, God) get blown to smithereens by small craft?

There's a reason the Death Star carried a complement of 9,000 TIE fighters: because X- and Y-wings were so fast they evaded the turbo lasers…



Yeah, true, but then again, there was this aesthetic choice by the architect of the death star where this small exposed thermal exhaust vent, located slightly below the main vent but no bigger than a womprat, where you can shoot a proton torpedo in it and the whole thing explodes. I know..major design flaw, but they totally could have covered it up with plywood, but would have looked terrible, and the empire had to think about resale value, plus it was guarded by towers and you had to skim along a trench to get to it, so hey, totally worth the extra thermal venting.

You do realize that was the only vent on it right?
As in they reduced everything to a single vulnerable peice to which they could only try and kill every SOB that looked at it and had a bloody wizard and his elite guard joining in to make the killing magically carnagirous?


Ever notice how there wasn't much exhaust coming out of that port? Or how it ever led to anything that looked like it was putting out exhaust? It was a semi-plausable idea that was put in to thwart an otherwise completely invulnerable space station so the good guys could win and look good against impossible odds.
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#31 - 2013-12-26 22:13:08 UTC
Tippia wrote:

Well, hey, it worked, remember? Pretty much everything that entered that trench got blown up.

Not even a targeting computer could hit that kind of target. I mean, it would require some kind of supernatural intervention from a dead religion to make such an impossible shot, and surely everyone has outgrown such silly superstitions.

That last guy would have bought it too if everyone weren't too busy looking at countdown screens and pulling levers to notice that a hulking big (and curiously well-armed) transport ship had entered the scene to take potshots at the Emperor's special envoy. It was obviously all an inside job anyway.


But but....there were 9000 tie fighter stationed there...and they scrambled...30(ish?) to fight off an attack? Even after they analyzed their patterns of attack...they didn't send any more out. I mean...I get the rebels only sending 20 speeders to fight the AT-ATs...Dak totally had that ****, so there really was no reason to send more. But the empire had legions of troopers, none of which were short, that they could have sent out into the fight. No excuses for lack of blobbing on the empires part.

As for the cargo ship, that pilot knew some maneuvers, and everyone knows that a ship that lists lazily to the left is impossible to shoot, so why waste ammo? Hed probably run away if shot at..and Im sure a cargo ship of that caliber could have easily made the Kessel Run in about 12 parsecs.

Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?
Yang Aurilen
State War Academy
Caldari State
#32 - 2013-12-26 22:24:08 UTC
Reaver Glitterstim wrote:
Shaden Nightwalker wrote:
I am deeply sorry for your helplessness against frigates.

In case you are serious: (intentionally left blank)
I think he feels battleships are helpless against his frigates, and wants a bigger challenge.

Of course if battleships had point defense turrets, they would also need larger crew complements. In real life there is balance in their size by their price and the logistics involved in running them. But real life is less balanced than EVE anyway. In real life, battleships are the I-WIN ship, and navies that don't have enough battleships lose the fight.


World War 2 says otherwise. The moment the Japs lost their carriers at Midway their entire fleet was basically dead. Look at the Yamato afterwards which is the biggest battleship in WW2. It got torp'd and bombed to death. Now look at the US Navy. What is the core of its Navy? Battleships? Nope its them carriers.

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Reaver Glitterstim
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#33 - 2013-12-26 22:27:20 UTC
Jill Chastot wrote:
Reaver Glitterstim wrote:
I'd like to see battleships able to get weapon bonuses when fitting medium or small weapons...


Stop thinking about solo eve, its multiplayer game and the implications on fleet warfare from this would be horrific.

Lol I'm sure that would happen...

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Frostys Virpio: "We have to give it to him that he does put more effort than the vast majority in his idea but damn does it sometime come out of nowhere."
NEONOVUS
Mindstar Technology
Goonswarm Federation
#34 - 2013-12-26 22:34:12 UTC
loco coco wrote:
NEONOVUS wrote:
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
Tippia wrote:
You mean those two instances where huge structures (star destroyers, death stars, borg cubes, God) get blown to smithereens by small craft?

There's a reason the Death Star carried a complement of 9,000 TIE fighters: because X- and Y-wings were so fast they evaded the turbo lasers…



Yeah, true, but then again, there was this aesthetic choice by the architect of the death star where this small exposed thermal exhaust vent, located slightly below the main vent but no bigger than a womprat, where you can shoot a proton torpedo in it and the whole thing explodes. I know..major design flaw, but they totally could have covered it up with plywood, but would have looked terrible, and the empire had to think about resale value, plus it was guarded by towers and you had to skim along a trench to get to it, so hey, totally worth the extra thermal venting.

You do realize that was the only vent on it right?
As in they reduced everything to a single vulnerable peice to which they could only try and kill every SOB that looked at it and had a bloody wizard and his elite guard joining in to make the killing magically carnagirous?


Ever notice how there wasn't much exhaust coming out of that port? Or how it ever led to anything that looked like it was putting out exhaust? It was a semi-plausable idea that was put in to thwart an otherwise completely invulnerable space station so the good guys could win and look good against impossible odds.

You do know it was already pointed out the exhaust was present as "particles" which were loosely described as stellar plasma like.
So do you see the exhaust from Sol?


Also its easy to fight a frigates on a BS now, go get rhls and nuke them
Or emp or just send a good sized ICBM crashing into their pod room
dexington
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#35 - 2013-12-26 22:35:24 UTC
Battleships can use small and medium guns, if you want to shoot frigs.

I'm a relatively respectable citizen. Multiple felon perhaps, but certainly not dangerous.
Alduin666 Shikkoken
Doomheim
#36 - 2013-12-26 22:41:26 UTC
Its called balance. OP things are bad mkay?

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Cyndrogen
The Greatest Corp in the Universe
#37 - 2013-12-26 22:49:16 UTC
Batelle wrote:
Its called a Heavy Energy Neutralizer.


and TP and WEB.

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SmilingVagrant
Doomheim
#38 - 2013-12-26 23:34:04 UTC
Dominix *drops mic*
Nyancat Audeles
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#39 - 2013-12-26 23:54:22 UTC
You can certainly fit small turrets on a Battleship. No one is stopping you, go ahead.
Annie Anomie
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#40 - 2013-12-27 00:16:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Annie Anomie
It's a game.

edit
I mean if EVE was supposed to be in any way a realistic space combat simulation etc. then sure, you'd have point defence.

It's not though. It's Rock, Paper, Scissors, Drones.

Also, is trolling in Doge-Speak the new thing on here?