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Cyndrogen
The Greatest Corp in the Universe
#1 - 2013-12-26 18:41:40 UTC
I have trained a bunch of stuff over the years that is basically useless. Like mining and industry since I no longer do any of those activities.

Once a year it would be really nice if we could re allocate up to 2 million skill points from ONE of our trained skills. For example I could trade in my mining skills for something more suitable like gunnery etc.

Please consider this as an option similar to remapping our brain once a year. We hav already invested time in training those skills and it would be nice to have a ONE time remapping of skills per year so you can have the opportunity to change your core skills and achieve your skill training goal.

I would even be OK with an exchange ratio of 80% or less.

Please like this post and sign below if you think we should get 2 million SP to trade at the end of the year from skills we already learned for other SP we really want to learn now!

Every day in every way I improve my skills and get better.
Kaerakh
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#2 - 2013-12-26 18:57:25 UTC
Now introducing repost number 364. May the honorable ISD representative take the floor and incur their righteous justice.

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Cyndrogen
The Greatest Corp in the Universe
#3 - 2013-12-26 19:00:50 UTC
Kaerakh wrote:
Now introducing repost number 364. May the honorable ISD representative take the floor and incur their righteous justice.


You didn't read a word I wrote did you?

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Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#4 - 2013-12-26 19:02:25 UTC
Cyndrogen wrote:
Kaerakh wrote:
Now introducing repost number 364. May the honorable ISD representative take the floor and incur their righteous justice.


You didn't read a word I wrote did you?


you want SP re-allocation or exchange as a regular feature not reserved for deleted skills. Do we really need to read anything beyond that?

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Cyndrogen
The Greatest Corp in the Universe
#5 - 2013-12-26 19:17:22 UTC
Batelle wrote:
Cyndrogen wrote:
Kaerakh wrote:
Now introducing repost number 364. May the honorable ISD representative take the floor and incur their righteous justice.


You didn't read a word I wrote did you?


you want SP re-allocation or exchange as a regular feature not reserved for deleted skills. Do we really need to read anything beyond that?


Nope you didnt read a word I wrote.

Once a year offer 2 million in retrained points, where you can reallocate 2 million points from ONE SP to another.

JUST ONE.

Totally different concept.

Every day in every way I improve my skills and get better.
Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#6 - 2013-12-26 19:21:31 UTC
Oh I read it. Reallocation as a standard feature. The fact that its once a year for only two million sp is irrelevant. The answer is no.

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Danika Princip
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#7 - 2013-12-26 19:36:35 UTC
Reported this thread as a duplicate
Cyndrogen
The Greatest Corp in the Universe
#8 - 2013-12-26 19:45:20 UTC
Batelle wrote:
Oh I read it. Reallocation as a standard feature. The fact that its once a year for only two million sp is irrelevant. The answer is no.


To you apples and oranges are probably the same thing too. Both sweet, both fruits, must be the same thing.

Every day in every way I improve my skills and get better.
Travasty Space
Pilots of Epic
#9 - 2013-12-26 19:59:22 UTC
Cyndrogen wrote:
Batelle wrote:
Oh I read it. Reallocation as a standard feature. The fact that its once a year for only two million sp is irrelevant. The answer is no.


To you apples and oranges are probably the same thing too. Both sweet, both fruits, must be the same thing.


For a diabetic they would be, and this type of proposal as never been approved and likely never will be due to the cost it would put on the system.

You made the choice to gain mining and industry skills, it is also your choice to not use them.
Kaerakh
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#10 - 2013-12-26 20:09:05 UTC
Cyndrogen wrote:
Kaerakh wrote:
Now introducing repost number 364. May the honorable ISD representative take the floor and incur their righteous justice.


You didn't read a word I wrote did you?



Looks like the community agrees that I did read it. =D

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Mag's
Azn Empire
#11 - 2013-12-26 20:20:32 UTC
No. You trained them and had use of them.

This idea is nothing new and will be rejected by the majority of the player base, as well as CCP.

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Cyndrogen
The Greatest Corp in the Universe
#12 - 2013-12-26 20:22:18 UTC
Mag's wrote:
No. You trained them and had use of them.

This idea is nothing new and will be rejected by the majority of the player base, as well as CCP.



Just curious but you actually as a player don't want to have this ability? You think this would ruin eve how exactly?

Every day in every way I improve my skills and get better.
Kaerakh
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#13 - 2013-12-26 20:30:32 UTC
Cyndrogen wrote:
Mag's wrote:
No. You trained them and had use of them.

This idea is nothing new and will be rejected by the majority of the player base, as well as CCP.



Just curious but you actually as a player don't want to have this ability? You think this would ruin eve how exactly?



We don't like it because it reduces the value of all skills by making them easier to acquire across the board and upsets the general balance of the game.

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Cyndrogen
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#14 - 2013-12-26 20:32:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Cyndrogen
Kaerakh wrote:
Cyndrogen wrote:
Mag's wrote:
No. You trained them and had use of them.

This idea is nothing new and will be rejected by the majority of the player base, as well as CCP.



Just curious but you actually as a player don't want to have this ability? You think this would ruin eve how exactly?



We don't like it because it reduces the value of all skills by making them easier to acquire across the board and upsets the general balance of the game.


how is it easier to acquire?

I already invested time in training, however I didn't know what my role was going to be at the time I started playing. Remember that steep learning curve pic? Most new players are not aware that EVE is a military oriented game. Sure you can be a miner and trader and all kinds of other things but the core focus of eve online is ship combat and pew pew, most items on the market are geared for destruction over all other forms of game play.
So if I want to train all guns and I started that from the very beginning I would still have the same number of skill points.

The time was already invested and spent it's not NEW time. Also who is we?

Every day in every way I improve my skills and get better.
Mag's
Azn Empire
#15 - 2013-12-26 20:33:54 UTC
Cyndrogen wrote:
Mag's wrote:
No. You trained them and had use of them.

This idea is nothing new and will be rejected by the majority of the player base, as well as CCP.



Just curious but you actually as a player don't want to have this ability? You think this would ruin eve how exactly?
No I don't want this ability, at all. The only thing I would accept is complete removal of skills, but at the loss of the SP as well as skill book. But even that is borderline, due to the issues it could raise.

SP reallocation promotes FOTM and doesn't really solve anything, so I'm completely against it.

Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
Kaerakh
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#16 - 2013-12-26 20:46:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Kaerakh
Cyndrogen wrote:
Kaerakh wrote:
Cyndrogen wrote:
Mag's wrote:
No. You trained them and had use of them.

This idea is nothing new and will be rejected by the majority of the player base, as well as CCP.



Just curious but you actually as a player don't want to have this ability? You think this would ruin eve how exactly?



We don't like it because it reduces the value of all skills by making them easier to acquire across the board and upsets the general balance of the game.


how is it easier to acquire?

I already invested time in training, however I didn't know what my role was going to be at the time I started playing. Remember that steep learning curve pic? Most new players are not aware that EVE is a military oriented game. Sure you can be a miner and trader and all kinds of other things but the core focus of eve online is ship combat and pew pew, most items on the market are geared for destruction over all other forms of game play.
So if I want to train all guns and I started that from the very beginning I would still have the smae number of skill points.

The time was already invested and spent it's not NEW time. Also who is we?



1. That's your problem for not doing proper research.
2. I wouldn't say it's military. EVE is more of an RTS with a hyper-realistic economy. Your units are players in ships.
3. Actually the game is equally dependent on both combat and industry. Without one or the other the game falls apart; for the precise reasons you listed it's a 'military' game. =P
4. Sure, but if your initial time investment can be changed on a whim then that in turn means that the time is less valuable because instead of buying or training a character you can just switch your current character. It would crash the character bazaar.
5. We is a generic term I used to represent the opposing opinion. My employment history on this character is quite misleading(in more ways than one). I've been playing since the Cold War expansion. ;)

So, yeah. Your idea would have terrible consequences. Which is the overwhelming opinion of almost every reply in everyone of these respec suggestions.

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The Troll Bridge
#17 - 2013-12-26 20:56:45 UTC
Skill training has consequences.




Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?
Nariya Kentaya
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#18 - 2013-12-26 21:23:18 UTC
juming in before redundant lock, to say OP needs this feature to respec SP into Forum Searching and Common Sense.
Seranova Farreach
Biomass Negative
#19 - 2013-12-26 22:15:51 UTC
dear op. this type of timed SP reinbursal idea was suggested not but a few days ago.

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Cyndrogen
The Greatest Corp in the Universe
#20 - 2013-12-26 22:21:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Cyndrogen
Mag's wrote:
Cyndrogen wrote:
Mag's wrote:
No. You trained them and had use of them.

This idea is nothing new and will be rejected by the majority of the player base, as well as CCP.



Just curious but you actually as a player don't want to have this ability? You think this would ruin eve how exactly?
No I don't want this ability, at all. The only thing I would accept is complete removal of skills, but at the loss of the SP as well as skill book. But even that is borderline, due to the issues it could raise.

SP reallocation promotes FOTM and doesn't really solve anything, so I'm completely against it.



FOTM? Flavor of the month? It would still take you a year to retrain, and only 2 million skill points are changed. Why is this such a threat to the game? Can you explain yourself? You're like a true politician you can't give me a straight answer.

Every day in every way I improve my skills and get better.
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