Crime & Punishment

I have recently come back to the game to find that hisec space is being regulated by suicide gankers. I know suicide ganking is part of the game, but I do have an issue with the way this is implemented.

The issue I have is that career suicide gankers (those with terrible standings) have so little to lose when ganking a ship in hisec. They obviously do not care about standings and only fly ships they do not miss. However, they are able to dispatch ships 10 times their value before getting a slap on the hand from concord. Finding them and retaliating outs them a couple mil, but you are only going to catch them when they are en route to a gank as these characters are used for nothing else. Wardecs are impossible due to these people existing in NPC corps or single man corps. Kill Rights are useless because of the value of ships these alts usually employ.

I do admit that I have spent a fair share of my time a couple years ago being a hisec carebear, but please do not mistake this for carebear tears. I just want a similar opportunity to return the favor as I am developing an interest in pvp, and who better to kill than those who have killed you .

I do not know what the fix would be, as I do think that being an outlaw should be a viable play style. Maybe a witness list in killmail, people on grid that were in sensor range during the crime, so that I could place bounties on their "scouts". Or if there was someway to link the scout with the crime (this probably cannot be done without creating big issues). Kill Rights that continued until you have "killed back" the cost of your ship at market.

If you have read, thanks for your time, and fly safe. Or not, I don't really care. Have fun.

TL;DR

I think that there needs to be a game mechanism shift, not so much in suicide ganking, but the ability to retaliate against them.

Or you could learn to properly tank your ship and actually play the game.

Untanked Retreivers are as squishy as they come.

Nanofiber Structures make them even more squishy.

You also must have been afk, as you were podded.

Do not whine, adapt.

As often happens in this game, you are looking at things through too narrow a focus.

If you believe that you can sit out in the asteroid belt in your efficient rock-melting machine, ignoring everyone else until someone "messes with the wrong guy!" and ganks you and THEN go all Liam Neesom on them, you will continue to be as disappointed as you are impotent (in the general meaning of the word.)

Ganks can be avoided. Ganks can be disrupted. Ganks can be discouraged. But ganks cannot, in most cases, be avenged on the ganker himself.

The reason for this is in both the nature and the detail of the event. The actual arrival of the ganker on top of you has been preceeded by a long chain of events, each of which has to be performed fairly competently, and then the gank itself has to be carried out in an extremely tight time window before the 100% certainty of the arrival of CONCORD brings things to a close.

Avoid the gank by not being there when it arrives (watch local for one thing). Disrupt the gank by mining with a Griffin pilot on grid. Discourage the gank by putting some tank in those lows. But don't expect you can ignore this good advice and then start yelling "I pity the fool!" in local as you pod away from your asploded wreck.

Not everything in Eve can be settled by throwing down the gloves. Miners win when they get their ore safely to station. (Obligatory advice to buy a permit and follow the Code).

I can assure you that the gankers are not afraid of the miners coming after them. In fact, they welcome it.

If you are creative and persistent, I'm sure you can manage to exact some form of revenge on the people that ganked you.

Fly a skiff. You can totally fit for maximum yield or whatever on it since no suicide ganker will even bat an eye at it.

Mate, you cant tell anything about a persons stance on ganking from their SEC status. My -8 comes from pvp in lowsec, not from killing miners. (I have on occasion, to pass the time, but only a few.)

Many true gankers rep their SEC status often as to be able to gatecamp or such in hisec.

They know how to play the game, they're using small fast ships to travel and know that Concord won't touch them until they gank or otherwise gain a GCC. The faction navy can be tanked or outrun, the gate/station guns can be bypassed by not committing aggression within their engagement range, using insta-undock bookmarks and not hanging around at gates to be shot at. Using a pod to get around bypasses Concord, the faction navy and gate/station guns, because NPCs don't pod-kill. You don't want them to either, because the majority of NPC pod kill victims would be mission runners, who would cry, a lot.

The station/gate guns will only agress if you shoot at somone within 150m of them. They dont engage criminals on sight, like the faction police do.

Edit: Bah, you beat me to it. Sorry double post.

Any ganker worth his salt will have an instaundock at almost every station in the sector. You wont be camping them with much effectiveness.

hence the caveat about "competent"