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DarthSyl
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#1 - 2011-11-07 05:22:44 UTC  |  Edited by: DarthSyl
Ok I know this was probably covered years ago, but I just recently came back to EVE and am just now hearing this:

Tech II BPO's arent available to the public? They were only given out by "lottery" during their introduction?

How is this fair to any new or returning players with a focus on manufacturing? Why is this not listed in the EULA, that
not all game items are available to everyone? I feel cheated to learn just now that I will most likely never get my hands
on a tech II BPO. This is something that should be stated in the EULA, and us consumers should be well informed
before we decide to hand over our hard earned cash to play EVE.

This is like going to an icecream stand and seeing them advertise chocolate sprinkles, but then telling you that
"Oh, we're sorry, those sprinkles were only given out to people four years ago, you cant have any now".

I'm starting to remember why I didnt stick with this game previously. Excuse me while I go contemplate paying a monthly
fee for part of a game....
Brock Nelson
#2 - 2011-11-07 05:51:42 UTC
Either you're a bad troll or you're too stupid to understand the role of T2 BPO plays in eve economy...

Signature removed, CCP Phantom
laysha
DBR Corp
#3 - 2011-11-07 06:39:58 UTC  |  Edited by: laysha
Nothing is stopping you from getting one, they're just not adding any more of them to the game. People sell them from time to time so if your whole eve experience is dependent on getting one then i suggest you start isk whoring and saving up
Shayla Sh'inlux
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2011-11-07 08:32:32 UTC
Oh look this post again!

Yes, the lottery was ********.
Yes, some people got literally a few hundred billion isk thrown at them by virtue of clicking a research agent a few years ago.
No, you can't get a tech II BPO for free anymore.
Yes, you can still get one.
No, they are not really worth it from a RoI perspective
Yes, you can still build tech II and make ridiculous amounts of isk with invention
Lutz Major
Austriae Est Imperare Orbi Universo
#5 - 2011-11-07 08:49:08 UTC
Shayla Sh'inlux wrote:
Oh look this post again!

Yes, the lottery was ********.
Yes, some people got literally a few hundred billion isk thrown at them by virtue of clicking a research agent a few years ago.
No, you can't get a tech II BPO for free anymore.
Yes, you can still get one.
No, they are not really worth it from a RoI perspective
Yes, you can still build tech II and make ridiculous amounts of isk with invention


Oh, don't be so harsh!

I think the OP has a point: the EULA doesn't state that you have to work / think / do math for your ISK, either.

I'ts a EULA disaster!

I demand that CCP changes the EULA accordingly or I rage quit and close my 621 accounts too ... or not.
Alisarina
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2011-11-07 09:25:54 UTC
Lutz Major wrote:
Shayla Sh'inlux wrote:
Oh look this post again!

Yes, the lottery was ********.
Yes, some people got literally a few hundred billion isk thrown at them by virtue of clicking a research agent a few years ago.
No, you can't get a tech II BPO for free anymore.
Yes, you can still get one.
No, they are not really worth it from a RoI perspective
Yes, you can still build tech II and make ridiculous amounts of isk with invention


Oh, don't be so harsh!

I think the OP has a point: the EULA doesn't state that you have to work / think / do math for your ISK, either.

I'ts a EULA disaster!

I demand that CCP changes the EULA accordingly or I rage quit and close my 621 accounts too ... or not.




Don;t let the door hit you on the ass on the way out :D

Seriously though, yeah it sucks, but then so does the same thing in the real world. What are you going to do to a place like McDonalds when you want to open a burger joint? Demand that it be brought down to your scale so you can compete? Nope...you just have to learn to adapt and form a niche market. If your unable or unwilling to do that, you will just get gobbled up like a chump and spat out by the big fish.

Welcome to real world business my friend.
Abdiel Kavash
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#7 - 2011-11-07 09:42:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Abdiel Kavash
Oh look it's this thread again...

Anyone can get a TII BPO the same way that 99% of their owners did: by buying it from someone else. Only 1% of individuals got lucky several years ago and got one for free. If anything it's that you should be whining about.
Zelda Wei
New Horizon Trade Exchange
#8 - 2011-11-07 09:43:04 UTC
DarthSyl wrote:


Tech II BPO's arent available to the public?


You were miss-informed, they are available in the EVE Marketplace : Sell Orders.

Don't believe everything you hear in Eve.
DarthSyl
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#9 - 2011-11-07 09:57:59 UTC  |  Edited by: DarthSyl
Thanks for the replies everyone, except for Lutz, you're just an ass.

Yes I know some players have BPO's for sale. Do I have billions of ISK at my disposal to buy one? No.

The problem here is that this is a consumer product, a game. It was intended for entertainment purposes.
Let's use another entertainment example. Let's say you go to the movies, and see... Tranformers 3 (I dunno).
Lets say that the movie theatre advertises that you will see the whole movie, all 154 minutes of it. You get your
popcorn and you get your soda, maybe some candy too, and you sit down ready for 154 minutes of entertainment.

Now, the movie is over, and you noticed that you only got 120 minutes of entertainment. You approach the manager
to ask where the other 34 minutes of the movie went, and they kindly explain that the other 34 minutes of the movie
was shown to movie goers a week previously, and there is no way you can watch the rest of the movie now.

Are you going to be happy? No.

Are you going to be upset you paid money to see 4/5 of a movie? Yes.

The problem here is that they advertise this game as being the same for everyone. Everyone has the same opportunity
as everyone else to utilize this consumer product in the same way. But apparently that isn't true!

If CCP doesn't want to let everyone have access to tech II BPO's, that's fine. But they should advertise that they are
selling an incomplete product, and monthly fees should be adjusted to reflect this for those who do not have
access to the whole product.

I am really curious just how CCP has protected themselves from legal action concerning this.
Lutz Major
Austriae Est Imperare Orbi Universo
#10 - 2011-11-07 10:08:22 UTC
Now, that I'm officially an ass, I can also tell you that your metaphores suck!
DarthSyl
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#11 - 2011-11-07 10:10:18 UTC
Lutz Major wrote:
Now, that I'm officially an ass, I can also tell you that your metaphores suck!



Probably just too intelligent for you to understand. I'm sorry. If I have to use another I will be sure to use
one about crayons and eating glue. I'm sure you will understand that one.
Kesshisan
#12 - 2011-11-07 10:16:07 UTC
DarthSyl wrote:
Probably just too intelligent for you to understand. I'm sorry. If I have to use another I will be sure to use
one about crayons and eating glue. I'm sure you will understand that one.


All desire for me to give you a detailed explanation of what you want went away when I saw this post of yours.

I will say this; if you think you need a T2 BPO, you don't understand invention.
DarthSyl
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#13 - 2011-11-07 10:25:21 UTC  |  Edited by: DarthSyl
Kesshisan wrote:
DarthSyl wrote:
Probably just too intelligent for you to understand. I'm sorry. If I have to use another I will be sure to use
one about crayons and eating glue. I'm sure you will understand that one.


All desire for me to give you a detailed explanation of what you want went away when I saw this post of yours.

I will say this; if you think you need a T2 BPO, you don't understand invention.


Oh well. If you think I'm just going to sit here and let Lutz come and troll my topic you are mistaken.

And I know how to get tech II BPC's from invention. That is entirely not the point.
Cyniac
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2011-11-07 10:37:20 UTC
You misunderstand what T2 BPOs are today and the function they fulfill.

Bear in mind the vast majority of people who have the BPOs in production right now bought those BPOs. In this regard you are in exactly the same situation as they are.

T2 BPOs can be broken down into two types:

BPOs where invention is viable -> Go ahead and invent here if you are interested

BPOs where invention is not viable -> Avoid inventing these items

In either case, the RoI of these BPOs is measured in years (plural) profit is not the primary consideration when acquiring and using a T2 BPO.

It's more a question of manufacturing end game - if you are successful enough and rich enough you'll be able to afford these when they next come out on the market. In this regard T2 BPOs fulfill their role perfectly. It is right that you should want to get them. Greed is good Twisted Now just have to work to make a few billion iskies to make it happen.

Frankly the way the T2 BPOs were introduced into the game at this point is completely irrelevant. It was daft and unfair yes, but it doesn't matter. If they had been introduced via a public auction the situation would still be the same today.

They exist and you have to deal with it. Though the situation in the past was random and seen as unfair (got lucky with invention? JACKPOT!) the situation today is driven essentially by market forces and is integral to the EVE experience.

Don't worry so much about what you don't have. Work with what you have and what you can do and PROFIT!
Cyniac
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2011-11-07 10:37:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Cyniac
Double post gives an opportunity for a TL;DR


T2 BPOs are limited, unique, expensive and unprofitable. They are the end game of fat-cat rich manufacturers. Doesn't matter how they got into the game what matters is how you make a profit. Use your available resources and PROFIT Twisted

BLING BLING !!!
DarthSyl
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#16 - 2011-11-07 11:10:00 UTC
Thanks for the reply Cyniac. What you say makes sense, but does little to ease my frame of mind.

Maybe my sense of unfairness is heightened lately, probably brought into focus with so much "Occupy" protesting
being in the news as of late. Perhaps its made me a little sensitive to shady practices by businesses.

None the less, what CCP has done isn't fair to their average consumer, and as such the price of the product should
reflect that, and the consumer should be made aware of that before they make the decision to purchase. Really, that
shouldn't be asking for too much. If we can't ask for a fair shake from the people we give our hard earned cash to,
then this economy really is going to ****, along with the rest of the world.
Lutz Major
Austriae Est Imperare Orbi Universo
#17 - 2011-11-07 13:08:25 UTC
DarthSyl wrote:
Maybe my sense of unfairness is heightened lately, probably brought into focus with so much "Occupy" protesting
being in the news as of late. Perhaps its made me a little sensitive to shady practices by businesses.

None the less, what CCP has done isn't fair to their average consumer, and as such the price of the product should
reflect that, and the consumer should be made aware of that before they make the decision to purchase. Really, that
shouldn't be asking for too much. If we can't ask for a fair shake from the people we give our hard earned cash to,
then this economy really is going to ****, along with the rest of the world.

I got one more ass-question: How many blue pills did you take, dude?
Lauren Hellfury
Super Happy Awesome Fun Times
#18 - 2011-11-07 13:27:13 UTC
Brock Nelson wrote:
Either you're a bad troll or you're too stupid to understand the role of T2 BPO plays in eve economy...



All things considered, I think that I'll go with answer b.

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DarthSyl
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#19 - 2011-11-07 13:31:53 UTC
Lutz Major wrote:
DarthSyl wrote:
Maybe my sense of unfairness is heightened lately, probably brought into focus with so much "Occupy" protesting
being in the news as of late. Perhaps its made me a little sensitive to shady practices by businesses.

None the less, what CCP has done isn't fair to their average consumer, and as such the price of the product should
reflect that, and the consumer should be made aware of that before they make the decision to purchase. Really, that
shouldn't be asking for too much. If we can't ask for a fair shake from the people we give our hard earned cash to,
then this economy really is going to ****, along with the rest of the world.

I got one more ass-question: How many blue pills did you take, dude?



No pill Lutz. It is not unreasonable for me to expect the same treatment and the same product available to every
other subscriber of EVE. After all, we all pay the same price (except people paying in euros, I understand your
frustration). Except I guess the same product isn't available to us all, now is it?

I'm even more curious now. Are there other aspects to EVE that aren't available to the general public? I don't mean
trivial promotional stuff like the 30 day implant for new trial accounts, I mean large game changing exclusions like
tech II BPO's?
Daniel Plain
Doomheim
#20 - 2011-11-07 13:35:12 UTC
yea so I want to see avatar 3d but no movie theater is showing it anymore :/

I should buy an Ishtar.
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