EVE General Discussion

This.

Make Marauder,
Sell Marauder.

Win.

The problem with a CNR, and thus the reason to train for a Golem, is that you need to bling it out in order to hit that upper end mission running threshold. Fitting all those beautiful modules is quite expensive and makes you a huge target, where a Golem can tank missions without all of that extra ISK tacked on. They're expensive to begin with, but you can't loot a Golem from the wreck of a Golem so it's a bit safer to fly.

They definitely have a nice tank, but I am not sure they need a nerf. One should get a small reward for the time they spent training.

I think you missed the point of my post.

drones do NOT attack someone just because they have looted your tractor beam or your wreck or your mission objective even if the looter called your mom a fattyfatfat.

drones will only attack if the looter decides to use an offensive module on you.

I can fly a Kronos, and a Golem, and have pretty good ties to people who use the other 2.

The weakness of the Golem is the time it will waste on trying to pummel frigates. Yes, you can use drones, but so can the other marauders. Yes, you can paint, but that doesnt help a lot on frigs if you use torps, and are really a wasted slot if you use cruise... So, they deal with frigates the most poorly of all the maruaders. Golem with torps gets to 80k range, with cruise, half a Sol. Tank is great, mine uses only a large booster, but has an emormous tank in bastion (1300 or so), and a full set of ballistics in the lows. No bling needed, like a CNR (CNR to do what you do in golem, costs 3 times more).

Kronos is just brutal. I have chosen to use blasters, and my fit gets them to 70km with falloff. It will kill frigs @ 100km with large neutrons, which is AWESOME. That finally sold the Kronos for me, because large rails have TERRIBLE damage, and TERRIBLE tracking, and should not ever be used in missions. I have tried rail fits, but found that i cant hit a frig inside 30k--witht he blasters, i can get them from 100 to 12k or so. The DPS isnt awesome, but i didnt fit it for that, it's made to have range and tracking. It blows through misisons faster than a golem, TBH, because it can pop most the frigates in a single 4.5 second volly.

Imho, the Kronos, in hands prepared to use blasters/tracking/tank, is better than the Golem.

The Golem is easier to use. I personally use an alt in a golem as back-up to the kronos.

The paladin, on the other hand, is much like the Kronos--just with a poorer damage type for most mission rats (in many angel mission, you will spend weeks trying to kill it all). It has, theoreticly, the same tank as a kronos (same slots, same bonii), but the lasers LAck the tracking large blasters do. This throws a kink into a few fits, if you're not using 2 trackign comps to boost it--you NEED 2 tracking comps to apply that dps as things get close. I know a man who thinks 3 is actually better (but he doesnt use a tracking enhancer--whereas i do onthe kronos, rahter than magstabs).

Kronos, imho, is maybe a few % better than a pally, in the end. The difference to the user probably wont be noticed, unless you're in a select few Angels missions.

The minmatar one, Vargur, needs a fit based mostly on tracking--SERIOUSLY, tracking is king for this ship. above and beyond the gyro's, fit for tracking. When this is done, imho, it's probably better at applying its DPS than the kronos. It also has a shield tank, which allows the great combonation of mids for tank, lows for gank--which only the golem can also do. Golem's missiles cant apply the damage to small targets like the turrets on the Vargur can...

Vargur better than Golem.
Kronos Better than Pally.
Kronos, pally, and vargur better than golem at dps application.
Golem easiest to use.

SO! imho, "Best" is a virtual tie between Kronos, Pally, and Vargur--with slight edges to Vargur and Kronos on occasion.

"Best" for ease of use, is Golem.


personal favorite, is Kronos.

I just tested this 5 times with varous safety settings and various drones. nope. my drones just sat there playing poker and didnt aggro the person that blew up my mobile tractor unit

well all i am saying I havent got it to work. just did another 2 tests this time trying to mix sentry drones.. nope..

feel free to try it yourself. your drones wont aggro.

maybe marlona has found a specific case where ti does work.. i sure as hell cant

Wait what? Only 700? What are you fitting, an extra-small pithum b-type? Seriously, you can get 4k dps shield tanks out of a paladin or kronos - golem should be on a whole other tier.

At no point do you need a super large tank for missions, so most focus should be on dps. Double target paint on golem means everything dies.