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PvE Shield Loki For High Sec LvL 4's (Just For fun)
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Ghost 096
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#1 - 2013-12-26 01:28:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Ghost 096
nothing real special or new to anyone but in case people have been looking for a PvE fit for a Loki i just randomly started putting one together to see what i could come up with and this is the end result. Thoughts or comments? All your doing is sig tanking the room and with such high resistances across the board you will maybe need to pulse your SB once in a while which is no big deal considering your cap stable with everything running but the booster.

[Side Note] - It would make sense to use the capacitor regeneration module to give longer cap time but it greatly reduces your fitting. Also you will notice it has a medium shield booster rather than a Large, This is because of the massive resist you have on the ship there is no need to use a Large repper.

[Shield PvE Loki]
Damage Control II
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
Tracking Enhancer II

Pithum C-Type Adaptive Invulnerability Field
[empty med slot] <--- Replace With Primary Npc Damage Dealt
Pithum A-Type Medium Shield Booster
Corelum C-Type 10MN Afterburner
Domination Stasis Webifier

425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M
425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M
425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M
425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M
425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M
Small Tractor Beam I

Medium Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer II
Medium Anti-Explosive Screen Reinforcer II
Medium Anti-Kinetic Screen Reinforcer II

Loki Defensive - Adaptive Shielding
Loki Electronics - Immobility Drivers
Loki Engineering - Supplemental Coolant Injector
Loki Offensive - Projectile Scoping Array
Loki Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst

Warrior II x5
Hobgoblin II x5
Dato Koppla
Spaghetti Militia
#2 - 2013-12-26 01:32:29 UTC
It will work and it's a decent fit, but you'll get sick of using it really quick because taking an hour to complete each mission gets boring really fast. The problem is the Loki simply doesn't have the range or dps to do L4 missions effectively.
Ghost 096
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#3 - 2013-12-26 01:45:02 UTC
Dato Koppla wrote:
It will work and it's a decent fit, but you'll get sick of using it really quick because taking an hour to complete each mission gets boring really fast. The problem is the Loki simply doesn't have the range or dps to do L4 missions effectively.


i agree even with artys the alpha is decent but the cycle times are horrid. but the loki is just something fun i like to fly when im not in the shield vindi. but its also my rating ship so always alot of fun ya know.
Jon Joringer
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#4 - 2013-12-26 04:48:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Jon Joringer
Armor variant?:

Corelum B-Type Medium Armor Repairer
mission specific hardener (will likely need to be faction for CPU)
mission specific hardener (will likely need to be faction for CPU)
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II

Tracking Computer II ~ Optimal Range Script
Tracking Computer II ~ Optimal Range Script
10MN Afterburner II
Stasis Webifier II
Stasis Webifier II

425mm AutoCannon II
425mm AutoCannon II
425mm AutoCannon II
425mm AutoCannon II
425mm AutoCannon II

Medium Projectile Ambit Extension I (or Metastasis Adjuster I if you'd rather have a bit better tracking)
Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump II
Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump II

Loki Electronics - Immobility Drivers
Loki Offensive - Projectile Scoping Array
Loki Defensive - Adaptive Augmenter
Loki Engineering - Capacitor Regeneration Matrix
Loki Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst

Hobgoblin II x5
Warrior II x5

~~~~~

The deadspace repper is for cap use (making it cap stable with everything running). Everything else can be left at T2 or pimped to discretion. Obviously won't be the most efficient mission runner, but, eh. I'd rather use this Loki than a shield Loki due to being able to web everything and apply damage much better (and to much further ranges due to the TCs).
Ghost 096
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#5 - 2013-12-26 05:09:53 UTC
Jon Joringer wrote:
Armor variant?:

Corelum B-Type Medium Armor Repairer
mission specific hardener (will likely need to be faction for CPU)
mission specific hardener (will likely need to be faction for CPU)
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II

Tracking Computer II ~ Optimal Range Script
Tracking Computer II ~ Optimal Range Script
10MN Afterburner II
Stasis Webifier II
Stasis Webifier II

425mm AutoCannon II
425mm AutoCannon II
425mm AutoCannon II
425mm AutoCannon II
425mm AutoCannon II

Medium Projectile Ambit Extension I (or Metastasis Adjuster I if you'd rather have a bit better tracking)
Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump II
Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump II

Loki Electronics - Immobility Drivers
Loki Offensive - Projectile Scoping Array
Loki Defensive - Adaptive Augmenter
Loki Engineering - Capacitor Regeneration Matrix
Loki Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst

Hobgoblin II x5
Warrior II x5

~~~~~

The deadspace repper is for cap use (making it cap stable with everything running). Everything else can be left at T2 or pimped to discretion. Obviously won't be the most efficient mission runner, but, eh. I'd rather use this Loki than a shield Loki due to being able to web everything and apply damage much better (and to much further ranges due to the TCs).


just plugged that in and the tank is the same but yeah you can hit a bit further its not bad of a fit maybe ill try it some time
Jon Joringer
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#6 - 2013-12-26 05:18:53 UTC
Not to mention being entirely effective with an (almost) all T2 fit, and so is very cheap.
Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#7 - 2013-12-26 15:25:43 UTC
that fit is stupidly expensive considering the isk you're putting in isn't actually increasing your dps. For shield tanking, a pithum c-type is more than sufficient. If you're gonna use a nice invulnerability field, then maybe use that and either a second invuln or a second rat-specific, and be done. Or if you're using resistance rigs (you shouldn't be), just fit the single invuln.

Damage control also isn't a great choice for shield tanked cruiser, especially when you're hard up for additional lowslots for damage mods and tracking. Also, you've got over a billion isk in tanking mods, but you can't spare anything to use faction gyros? Get faction gyros if you're going to use nice mods at all.

"Loki Engineering - Supplemental Coolant Injector" WTF is this? Power Core Multiplier = Extra gun = The only not-awful choice for level 4s.

Fuel Catalyst - I suppose this is an OK choice, but really you'll be way better off (and have more fun) using a different subsystem and a c-type mwd. You've already got a heavy tank and a small sig and high speed, you don't need an afterburner to speed tank stuff, but you do need a mwd to kill stuff faster.

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Lady Naween
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#8 - 2013-12-26 17:43:06 UTC
back in the day i used to run lvl4s in a loki, and yeah it was fun for a while but the sloooow completion times soon made it clear it is a baaad ship for it. And that was with two t2 ambit extensions for the range and with minimal tank to cram as much damage and range in as I could.

does it work? yes, is it stupidly safe? yes. t3s sig tank so well, and even when you are webbed by eight webbers (the drone, merc, drone mission.. kill the informant?) you wont take any damage. but is it slooow? yes.

but sure if you have the isk to throw around and don't want to spend it on say some more pvp ships, then try it out. but you will be bored fast.
stoicfaux
#9 - 2013-12-26 18:01:59 UTC
Ugh, if I had to absolutely use a Loki for level 4s, I would probably want an MWD to close the range quickly. And I would most likely stick to Amarr space with 94%/81% EM/Therm resists.

AC DPS 587, 2.1+36km range.
1884m/s with MWD.

[Loki, 425 Armor]
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
Gyrostabilizer II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Centii A-Type Small Armor Repairer

10MN Microwarpdrive II
Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script
Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script
Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script

425mm AutoCannon II, EMP M
425mm AutoCannon II, EMP M
425mm AutoCannon II, EMP M
425mm AutoCannon II, EMP M
425mm AutoCannon II, EMP M
425mm AutoCannon II, EMP M

Medium Projectile Burst Aerator II
Medium Projectile Ambit Extension I

Loki Defensive - Adaptive Augmenter
Loki Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer
Loki Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir
Loki Offensive - Projectile Scoping Array
Loki Propulsion - Chassis Optimization

Hobgoblin II x5

Pon Farr Memorial: once every 7 years, all the carebears in high-sec must PvP or they will be temp-banned.
Ghost 096
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#10 - 2013-12-27 03:17:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Ghost 096
Batelle wrote:
that fit is stupidly expensive considering the isk you're putting in isn't actually increasing your dps. For shield tanking, a pithum c-type is more than sufficient. If you're gonna use a nice invulnerability field, then maybe use that and either a second invuln or a second rat-specific, and be done. Or if you're using resistance rigs (you shouldn't be), just fit the single invuln.

Damage control also isn't a great choice for shield tanked cruiser, especially when you're hard up for additional lowslots for damage mods and tracking. Also, you've got over a billion isk in tanking mods, but you can't spare anything to use faction gyros? Get faction gyros if you're going to use nice mods at all.

"Loki Engineering - Supplemental Coolant Injector" WTF is this? Power Core Multiplier = Extra gun = The only not-awful choice for level 4s.

Fuel Catalyst - I suppose this is an OK choice, but really you'll be way better off (and have more fun) using a different subsystem and a c-type mwd. You've already got a heavy tank and a small sig and high speed, you don't need an afterburner to speed tank stuff, but you do need a mwd to kill stuff faster.



Ok prepare for itemized remarks and insults.

A. i cant remember the last time i saw someone get absolutely butt hurt over a PvE fit, oh yeah thats right no one has. i clearly said was just for fun regardless of the subsystems and mods i put on it.

B. i have the isk to buy the mods ill use them as i see fit.

C. no one is forcing you let alone telling you to use this fit. this is just what i use, dont like it by all means look away.

D. speaking of subsystems, i clearly said the obvious choice would be cap regeneration or Powercore multiplier but since fitting is terrible with the cap regen sub and you lose a mid with the multiplier i used the supplemental coolant for better fitting without losing the slots i needed.

E. i know the loki puts out low dps it is just something fun to fly i obviously dont care what i fly.

F. finally this is a forum in which people share or ask for fits. although my comment at the end of my post says comments it did not mean for you to get your thong in a twist and put people on blast. if it really hut your feelings that bad to look at my fit by all means go cry to your mom upstairs.
Victoria Thorne
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#11 - 2013-12-27 13:28:26 UTC
A omni-tanked PVE Loki fit which I use for level 4's when the whim takes me:

6x 425mm AutoCannon II

1x Explosive Deflection Field II
1x Medium Shield Booster II
1x Kinetic Deflection Field II
1x 10MN Afterburner II
1x Thermic Dissipation Field II

2x Tracking Enhancer II
3x Gyrostabilizer II

3x Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I

1x Loki Defensive - Amplification Node
1x Loki Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir
1x Loki Electronics - Tactical Targeting Network
1x Loki Offensive - Projectile Scoping Array
1x Loki Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst

It's cheap, simple, and it works surprisingly well. If I used it more often, I'd switch out the rigs for something more useful, and upgrade the AB and Gyro's to Republic Fleet. I definitely wouldn't use shield rigs on a Loki, the sig tank on it is too awesome to degrade.

I have a geno set of implants when I use this, I think you'd need an electronics implant for this to work without them.
Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#12 - 2013-12-27 14:53:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Batelle
Ghost 096 wrote:
Batelle wrote:
that fit is stupidly expensive considering the isk you're putting in isn't actually increasing your dps. For shield tanking, a pithum c-type is more than sufficient. If you're gonna use a nice invulnerability field, then maybe use that and either a second invuln or a second rat-specific, and be done. Or if you're using resistance rigs (you shouldn't be), just fit the single invuln.

Damage control also isn't a great choice for shield tanked cruiser, especially when you're hard up for additional lowslots for damage mods and tracking. Also, you've got over a billion isk in tanking mods, but you can't spare anything to use faction gyros? Get faction gyros if you're going to use nice mods at all.

"Loki Engineering - Supplemental Coolant Injector" WTF is this? Power Core Multiplier = Extra gun = The only not-awful choice for level 4s.

Fuel Catalyst - I suppose this is an OK choice, but really you'll be way better off (and have more fun) using a different subsystem and a c-type mwd. You've already got a heavy tank and a small sig and high speed, you don't need an afterburner to speed tank stuff, but you do need a mwd to kill stuff faster.



Ok prepare for itemized remarks and insults.

A. i cant remember the last time i saw someone get absolutely butt hurt over a PvE fit, oh yeah thats right no one has. i clearly said was just for fun regardless of the subsystems and mods i put on it.

B. i have the isk to buy the mods ill use them as i see fit.

C. no one is forcing you let alone telling you to use this fit. this is just what i use, dont like it by all means look away.

D. speaking of subsystems, i clearly said the obvious choice would be cap regeneration or Powercore multiplier but since fitting is terrible with the cap regen sub and you lose a mid with the multiplier i used the supplemental coolant for better fitting without losing the slots i needed.

E. i know the loki puts out low dps it is just something fun to fly i obviously dont care what i fly.

F. finally this is a forum in which people share or ask for fits. although my comment at the end of my post says comments it did not mean for you to get your thong in a twist and put people on blast. if it really hut your feelings that bad to look at my fit by all means go cry to your mom upstairs.


At what point did I insult you? I gave you very good and very specific advice on how to improve your fit for the purpose for which you intended. When I tell you your fit is bad (and I didn't even say it was bad, I said it was overtanked and you were using the wrong engineering sub), you shouldn't take it as an insult (or that I'm "butthurt"), particularly when you've taken the time to ask for feedback on your fit, and especially when you're offering it up for other people to use. If you're so thin-skinned that you get upset over negative feedback, then don't ask for it on a public forum.

"**CCP is changing policy, and has asked that we discontinue the bonus credit program after November 7th. So until then, enjoy a super-bonus of 1B Blink Credit for each 60-day GTC you buy!"**

Never forget.
Ghost 096
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#13 - 2013-12-27 15:48:33 UTC
Batelle wrote:
Ghost 096 wrote:
Batelle wrote:
that fit is stupidly expensive considering the isk you're putting in isn't actually increasing your dps. For shield tanking, a pithum c-type is more than sufficient. If you're gonna use a nice invulnerability field, then maybe use that and either a second invuln or a second rat-specific, and be done. Or if you're using resistance rigs (you shouldn't be), just fit the single invuln.

Damage control also isn't a great choice for shield tanked cruiser, especially when you're hard up for additional lowslots for damage mods and tracking. Also, you've got over a billion isk in tanking mods, but you can't spare anything to use faction gyros? Get faction gyros if you're going to use nice mods at all.

"Loki Engineering - Supplemental Coolant Injector" WTF is this? Power Core Multiplier = Extra gun = The only not-awful choice for level 4s.

Fuel Catalyst - I suppose this is an OK choice, but really you'll be way better off (and have more fun) using a different subsystem and a c-type mwd. You've already got a heavy tank and a small sig and high speed, you don't need an afterburner to speed tank stuff, but you do need a mwd to kill stuff faster.



Ok prepare for itemized remarks and insults.

A. i cant remember the last time i saw someone get absolutely butt hurt over a PvE fit, oh yeah thats right no one has. i clearly said was just for fun regardless of the subsystems and mods i put on it.

B. i have the isk to buy the mods ill use them as i see fit.

C. no one is forcing you let alone telling you to use this fit. this is just what i use, dont like it by all means look away.

D. speaking of subsystems, i clearly said the obvious choice would be cap regeneration or Powercore multiplier but since fitting is terrible with the cap regen sub and you lose a mid with the multiplier i used the supplemental coolant for better fitting without losing the slots i needed.

E. i know the loki puts out low dps it is just something fun to fly i obviously dont care what i fly.

F. finally this is a forum in which people share or ask for fits. although my comment at the end of my post says comments it did not mean for you to get your thong in a twist and put people on blast. if it really hut your feelings that bad to look at my fit by all means go cry to your mom upstairs.


At what point did I insult you? I gave you very good and very specific advice on how to improve your fit for the purpose for which you intended. When I tell you your fit is bad (and I didn't even say it was bad, I said it was overtanked and you were using the wrong engineering sub), you shouldn't take it as an insult (or that I'm "butthurt"), particularly when you've taken the time to ask for feedback on your fit, and especially when you're offering it up for other people to use. If you're so thin-skinned that you get upset over negative feedback, then don't ask for it on a public forum.


you did not give advice you bashed my fit

"stupidly expensive"

"wrong subsystem"

saying the loki is the wrong ship for PvE.

im in FW i make my money there i dont do mission for anything more than to raise my security status when it is getting lower than what i would like. I dont do much missioning at all but every fit i have seen is blinged out to the max and never knew why. then found out its almost like having a show car and a daily driver. dont put too much into your daily but your show car should be the one that gets the shinny stuff. so thats what i di. yeah its overpriced and yeah it may be over tanked. but i obviously have my reasons for it. the first guy who commented wen about it the way you should have rather than being a know it all and being aggressive. he asked why then acknowledged what he liked then offered his fit and explained why he used it. his would be a constructive and non hostile way of binding as a community and keeping relations between pilots.
Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#14 - 2013-12-27 16:22:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Batelle
I never said the Loki was the wrong ship for level 4s. I mean, it IS the wrong ship, but I didn't bother posting that because you clearly wanted advice on doing it anyway, because its "for fun." I can respect that. And yet the first poster said "yeah cool but its the wrong ship." I on the other hand gave you concrete suggestions for how to improve your fit for the purpose you described, rather than quibble over hull choice. I'm a bit amused you would prefer a polite pat on the back that otherwise tells you nothing instead of specific module and fittings suggestions for making the ship more fun to use.

Also, you are a thin-skinned ninny Smile. I put a lot of thought into my first post and I'm disappointed that you would disregard my advice over a misplaced sense of hurt pride (considering my advice is different than necessarily taking it).

"**CCP is changing policy, and has asked that we discontinue the bonus credit program after November 7th. So until then, enjoy a super-bonus of 1B Blink Credit for each 60-day GTC you buy!"**

Never forget.
Zan Shiro
Doomheim
#15 - 2013-12-29 12:24:01 UTC
Ghost 096 wrote:


im in FW i make my money there i dont do mission for anything more than to raise my security status when it is getting lower than what i would like.


you are doing it wrong then You'd run loops in low/0/0 sec. You only get sec status of the first rat killed in system for 15 minutes. Anything killed for the next 15 minutes in the same system gets you nothing. You are based there anyway and should have fellow FW for intel. This would work out better for you.


Since in low sec you'd just run around in a stealth bomber, pick off 1 bs rat in belt and repeat for several system after that. Ideally you come back to the first system shortly afar the 15 minute timer is up. Why it be called a loop.

Or since a loki thread you'd go bubble immune fit if 0.0 and pick off 1 belt bs and gtfo. Low sec I'd go ninjya t3 to cloak up if no safe pos in the area. Or you could go hard to probe (you can just google unprobable fits to reuse the older stuff) and barring pro probers not much is finding you. Just remember with unprobable/hard to probe do NOT use drones. They will give your position away, Their MWD bloom spikes will get you found real fast and easy.

You are ln luck here for the latter...loki can go ghost in the machine real easy. Only it and tengu do this well imo.

Hound would be much cheaper and more efficient if truly looking to fix sec status however.