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Bogdo Lama
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#1 - 2013-12-25 16:54:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Bogdo Lama
Soo.. Im rather new guy in FW front and ive started to run some lvl4's for minnie. Ive been looking up the good bomber to run these missions. Currently im running with nemesis as i can only fly 3 races t2 frigs and purifier is not one them. I have done ok with nemesis. My nemesis fit can run missions like the reprisal or the uproot. Only mission ive havent tried is "cutting the net" as ive read its "bad mission" that should be declined like uproot alltho i think uproot was easy mission. I am training purifier atm. However ive been wondering if purifier is really the best choice for minnie missions. Yes i do understand purifier has EM dmg bonus against BS rats and more lows for bcu's. But how about haulers and structures? Ive read somewhere that purifier should only be used for BS rats? As i tend pickup multiple missions at once and it seems only 30% of mission are BS rats. And im not gonna reship for haulers and structures soo.. Which is best overall? What im thinking is that nemesis seems to kill those haulers ok. Different resistances than BS rats? And in structures resistances in hull should be 0% allaraound? Soo if thermal kills haulers faster than EM and thermal is enough to kill BS rats wouldnt nemesis be better allaround mission boat as i see more haulers than bs's?

P.s. Posting drunken on alt!!!
Christine Peeveepeeski
Low Sec Concepts
#2 - 2013-12-25 18:24:56 UTC
I heard best way to do them was in rattlesnakes making sure not to stab them.

Always accept missions that take you close to egghelende.

Remember to announce in local your presence so locals know to leave you to the worthwhile work you'll be doing.
Bogdo Lama
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#3 - 2013-12-25 18:42:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Bogdo Lama
Christine Peeveepeeski wrote:
I heard best way to do them was in rattlesnakes making sure not to stab them.

Always accept missions that take you close to egghelende.

Remember to announce in local your presence so locals know to leave you to the worthwhile work you'll be doing.


These amarr guys so funny :D

Trolling and stuff.. Also they keep warping at my mission gates and keep coming in sites but then i warp out and cloak.. Most amarr noobs can sit there like 10mins hoping i would warp back at 0 on them ;D

Sure.. Keep wasting ur time to try catch alinged mission bomber 130k away from beacon Shocked

Good Xmas to u too!!
Christine Peeveepeeski
Low Sec Concepts
#4 - 2013-12-25 18:53:11 UTC
He tasks me, he tasks me and I shall have him!

Merry Xmas though :-D
Bogdo Lama
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#5 - 2013-12-25 19:00:30 UTC
Christine Peeveepeeski wrote:
He tasks me, he tasks me and I shall have him!

Merry Xmas though :-D


Hehehe ;D
Tsobai Hashimoto
State War Academy
Caldari State
#6 - 2013-12-25 21:06:11 UTC
Purifier is the best option, for BS, Haulers or any target, also if you are going to grin missions for isk, might as well setup a clone with 3% implants, it will help reduce your mission time and increase income.

I use a set of SM-703, GP-803 TN-903 and RL-1003

3% more shield HP, 3% Torp Sig Reduction, 3% Torp Velc Modifier and 3% RoF

My Nemesis needs a 3% PG implant and my Purifier needs a 2% CPU Implant.


Nemesis, with implants listed above, and T1 Torps,

447 DPS
4,400 EHP
807 m/s speed, 7.42 align time


[Nemesis, FW Missions]

Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II

1MN Afterburner II
Medium F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron

Covert Ops Cloaking Device II
Prototype 'Arbalest' Torpedo Launcher, Inferno Torpedo
Prototype 'Arbalest' Torpedo Launcher, Inferno Torpedo
Prototype 'Arbalest' Torpedo Launcher, Inferno Torpedo
[Empty High slot]

Small Ancillary Current Router I
Small Polycarbon Engine Housing I


With implants posted above and a 2% CPU implant, T1 torps

501 DPS
3,600 EHP
817 m/s Speed
6.49 align time


[Purifier, FW Missions]

Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II

1MN Afterburner II
Medium Shield Extender II
Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron

Prototype 'Arbalest' Torpedo Launcher, Mjolnir Torpedo
Prototype 'Arbalest' Torpedo Launcher, Mjolnir Torpedo
Prototype 'Arbalest' Torpedo Launcher, Mjolnir Torpedo
Covert Ops Cloaking Device II
[Empty High slot]

Small Warhead Calefaction Catalyst I
Small Bay Loading Accelerator I


Both fits cost about 40mill total, and both are cap stable, but the purifer is a much better plantform with 54 more DPS, and it is not as resisted as well by the rats in minnie FW missions. on top of that it does go 10 m/s faster and has 1 second quicker align time, meaning it can speed tank a lil bit better, and GTFO a tad bit better, but the true reason to use it is the 50+ more DPS and it is a direct counter to most rats and targets you will find in the missions.


You can get to 576 DPS on your Purifier with CN Torps as well
Bogdo Lama
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#7 - 2013-12-25 22:22:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Bogdo Lama
Tsobai Hashimoto wrote:
Purifier is the best option, for BS, Haulers or any target, also if you are going to grin missions for isk, might as well setup a clone with 3% implants, it will help reduce your mission time and increase income.

I use a set of SM-703, GP-803 TN-903 and RL-1003

3% more shield HP, 3% Torp Sig Reduction, 3% Torp Velc Modifier and 3% RoF

My Nemesis needs a 3% PG implant and my Purifier needs a 2% CPU Implant.

*moderating some stuff here to shorten this quote*

Both fits cost about 40mill total, and both are cap stable, but the purifer is a much better plantform with 54 more DPS, and it is not as resisted as well by the rats in minnie FW missions. on top of that it does go 10 m/s faster and has 1 second quicker align time, meaning it can speed tank a lil bit better, and GTFO a tad bit better, but the true reason to use it is the 50+ more DPS and it is a direct counter to most rats and targets you will find in the missions.


You can get to 576 DPS on your Purifier with CN Torps as well



Yea thanks for opinion.. I do like ur nemesis fit its kinda similar than mine but i use range rigs and em hardener instead of invul and ur rigs.. With purifier id go with 3 bcu's and maybe drop mse if cpu problems as i dont usually get hit anyways.. Anyhow u say purifier is the best to kill amarr haulers? I dont know resistances of amarr haulers as i read somewhere that they would be different than amarr BS's has.. Also i read somewhere that explosive would be best for amarr haulers and some said go kinetic.. So that remains bit unclear to me.. Structures should have 0 res in hull so purifier should be bit better due the better dps..

Anyways the question remains what kinda resistances amarr haulers has?

And what comes to implants i rather use pvp implants cause im not an PVE alt.. And delay on clonejumps says i rather pve with pvp implants than pvp with pve implants..

Also funny that i get answers only from amarr guys.. Thanks for input anyways and see u on battlefield ;D

Edit: fixed some drunken typos.. ;) not all them im sure tho...
Tsobai Hashimoto
State War Academy
Caldari State
#8 - 2013-12-26 08:37:28 UTC
Well I keep several clone types. And when I do pve missions. Its for my day of eve. I'll do 2 maybe 3 runs and that takes my time

Also the implants I listed work for cheap PvP clones if hou fly a missile frig heh sometime I do often

Anyways I said its better for haulers from the pure dps improvement's. I don't use range rigs as I'm well trained so its already 55km. Don't need more for tanking and I hate when you waste a volley from range issues on middle flight
Bogdo Lama
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#9 - 2013-12-26 14:28:26 UTC
Tsobai Hashimoto wrote:
Well I keep several clone types. And when I do pve missions. Its for my day of eve. I'll do 2 maybe 3 runs and that takes my time

Also the implants I listed work for cheap PvP clones if hou fly a missile frig heh sometime I do often

Anyways I said its better for haulers from the pure dps improvement's. I don't use range rigs as I'm well trained so its already 55km. Don't need more for tanking and I hate when you waste a volley from range issues on middle flight


Yea im well trained too on missiles.. 56k range without rigs.. But the thing is to get 80k missile range.. Uproot for example seems to have 49k missiletower activation range.. Also extra range gives me more time to be alinged in same celestial and aswell helps me keep range on rats and also helps me to keep distance on beacon.. But yea il be trying purifier once i get it trained..

Anyhow just started wonder this puri/nemesis dmg thing as ive read some conflicting info about those haulers..
Bienator II
madmen of the skies
#10 - 2013-12-28 05:16:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Bienator II
killed six this evening. Most where basic shield/AB fit with some damage mods. (but it doesn't matter how you fit it since amar npcs are useless against bombers). Little buffer, AB, some dps and range and you are fine.

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Hesod Adee
Perkone
Caldari State
#11 - 2013-12-28 05:32:09 UTC
Bienator II wrote:
killed six this evening. Most where basic shield/AB fit with some damage mods. (but it doesn't matter how you fit it since amar npcs are useless against bombers). Little buffer, AB, some dps and range and you are fine.

Avoiding you was the most interesting part of running missions today.
Plug in Baby
Family Tipes
#12 - 2013-12-28 09:41:22 UTC
Tsobai Hashimoto wrote:
Purifier is the best option, for BS, Haulers or any target.


Not true at all, Industrials have 50% more eHP to EM than Explosive. If you are doing enough missions its worth clearing up the industrials with a Hound, then doing all other missions in a purifier. A hound can 3 volley industrials while a purifier takes 5.

This means a saving of about 1 minute on industrial missions, so just depends on your travel time to reship if its worth it or not.

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Tsobai Hashimoto
State War Academy
Caldari State
#13 - 2013-12-28 19:34:47 UTC
Plug in Baby wrote:
Tsobai Hashimoto wrote:
Purifier is the best option, for BS, Haulers or any target.


Not true at all, Industrials have 50% more eHP to EM than Explosive. If you are doing enough missions its worth clearing up the industrials with a Hound, then doing all other missions in a purifier. A hound can 3 volley industrials while a purifier takes 5.

This means a saving of about 1 minute on industrial missions, so just depends on your travel time to reship if its worth it or not.



It is not worth the travel time, the travel time is the major factor in FW Mission time, I normally run these duel boxed, not for the extra dps, as my alt can barely fly a hound, and cant use torps, but just to pick up more missions, and keep a cloaked set of eyes on the gate for extra lookout.

My mission pick up path is as follows... Myyhera > Sasiekko, > Sosala > Gammel > Anka > Tannakan > Sahtogas > Oyonata > Kurniainen

Bold is a system you can pick up a mission, I will try and get a 4 and a 3 from each system, with two toons, often you have to skip some, but often you get around 2 - 3 missions from each system. giving me around 17-20 missions total.

I will not pick up 3s if they are in backwater systems unless I already have a 4 set to that system, or its on the way to a nice 4 out there.... 3s can be done in 1 or 2 volleys most likely, sometimes it takes longer to activate the gate than to complete the mission, and often still give a nice lump of 15-25k LP and some isk too,

When you get the final missions in Kurniainen you are now 1jump from the area that missions can start in, Isbrabata..... more often than not you will have doubled up or even trippled up in some systems,

set you map to each mission system, and organize by least jumps, do the loop, come back into kurni, turn in at each system, and your back home in an LP high sec store and loaded with LP for cash out and hauling

Rinse and Repeat

Easy as pie

Fixing the EVE Econ one FW Mission at a time :-) burn that ISK away!
Bogdo Lama
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#14 - 2013-12-31 15:47:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Bogdo Lama
Bienator II wrote:
killed six this evening. Most where basic shield/AB fit with some damage mods. (but it doesn't matter how you fit it since amar npcs are useless against bombers). Little buffer, AB, some dps and range and you are fine.


Yea its amazing how peeps derp around with those bombers and specially at high tiers.. Anyways ive seen u around at my accel gates. However its is easy to not get cought by just playing it smart.. Yet havent lost bomber to u or anyone else... Actually ive got few killmails with my mission fitted bomber on my carebearing voyages..
Bogdo Lama
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#15 - 2013-12-31 15:51:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Bogdo Lama
Plug in Baby wrote:
Tsobai Hashimoto wrote:
Purifier is the best option, for BS, Haulers or any target.


Not true at all, Industrials have 50% more eHP to EM than Explosive. If you are doing enough missions its worth clearing up the industrials with a Hound, then doing all other missions in a purifier. A hound can 3 volley industrials while a purifier takes 5.

This means a saving of about 1 minute on industrial missions, so just depends on your travel time to reship if its worth it or not.


Yea something like this ive heard. What was the point of whole this thread at beginning.. Or actually point was if thermal would be faster overall... Anyhow im still bit curious about thermal and kinetic resistances on those haulers. I did try manticore myself on haulers and it seemed to be faster than thermal but im not really sure.. Maybe i need to test bit more. Purifier i can try in 2 days..

Also to mention that it took from me 4 volleys to kill haulers with my nemesis fit/skills.. Thats 450 dps nemesis with lvl4 torps.
Plug in Baby
Family Tipes
#16 - 2013-12-31 18:28:29 UTC
Bogdo Lama wrote:
Also to mention that it took from me 4 volleys to kill haulers with my nemesis fit/skills.. Thats 450 dps nemesis with lvl4 torps.


Mine takes 4 as well as I dont have cov ops 5, with that it should take 3 if my maths is correct.

Imperial Industrial.

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Bogdo Lama
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#17 - 2013-12-31 19:13:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Bogdo Lama
Plug in Baby wrote:
Bogdo Lama wrote:
Also to mention that it took from me 4 volleys to kill haulers with my nemesis fit/skills.. Thats 450 dps nemesis with lvl4 torps.


Mine takes 4 as well as I dont have cov ops 5, with that it should take 3 if my maths is correct.

Imperial Industrial.



Yea cov ops 4 here aswell.. As i cant bother to train it to 5.. Alltho i will be going for torps 5 once i finish amarr frig 5..

And yea thanks for link.. Ive been looking for that. 6k hp in armor at 35% thermal resistance vs 60% em res. And with that in mind missions have 3-7 haulers / mission against 1 bs / mission even bs's have better tank.. While u get around 60-70% hauler missions.. Afterall my original idea doesnt sound so bad anymore about nemesis being faster to complete lets say 10mission cycle for example.
Christine Peeveepeeski
Low Sec Concepts
#18 - 2014-01-01 17:36:57 UTC
Heres a question, why is this not in the missions forum? Or the ships and modules section? Seems like some kind of PVE thing to me.

Would a zealot not be better at these than an sb?
Plug in Baby
Family Tipes
#19 - 2014-01-01 18:20:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Plug in Baby
Christine Peeveepeeski wrote:
Would a zealot not be better at these than an sb?


No, even if you could get more dps using a zealot the travel times within the missions themselves as well as warping between systems would quickly offset any gains made.

Bogdo Lama wrote:
Afterall my original idea doesnt sound so bad anymore about nemesis being faster to complete lets say 10mission cycle for example.


Nemesis is better overall until you factor in The Reprisal, the nemesis would have huge difficulties breaking the commander's tank quickly, while for the purifier this is probably the easiest mission to complete as it only takes ~8-10 volleys. Being forced to reject such a good mission makes using the nemesis a pain.

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Bienator II
madmen of the skies
#20 - 2014-01-01 19:02:12 UTC
try to use a-type prop mods. this makes you move faster and complete those missions quicker. Its like picking flowers on a warm summer day. According to a ongoing "field study", the purifier seems to be still the most popular SB for farmers.

fly smart, fly a-type

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