Market Discussions

If you think there is isk to be made in a particular process/aspect of this game, you can be guaranteed that someone else is already making isk from it

If you look at how long a character takes to develop, and the profit margins involved, most people just don't bother doing it for the profit. You can spend a year building a character and make a few billion, which is less than you can make with a single character building T1 items in a month.

I've made a few T doing this. It's a good way to sink huge amounts of isk and still generate meaningful returns on all of it.

i am trying to see if there are people who would trust in such a business model. or would be more afraid than other investments???

leaving aside the trust which is important

buying and selling a toon is not against the rules as long as i do not mislead. so when selling a toon, your honest about the skills so eve-board covers that and when u receive the isk you transfer the toon. I have sold well over 100 toons without issue.

I think it's possible, but I think your biggest issue would be that during the checks where they decide if they want that character, they'd see the amount it was sold for to you, and that would likely make them think it's not worth the isk. You'd probably have to hold characters for 6 months or so to make sure they figured there was enough development to make it worth the extra.

You can resell toons within a few hours for up to 20b more. Been there, done that, can link a few as proof if you doubt me.

Nobody checks what you paid for it and if they do it doesn't make the slightest bit of difference. If someone sells you a $100 bill for $5 it isn't worth $5 now, you just made $95 profit. Likewise if they turn around and say "but you only paid X" explain that it was really cheap and that the difference is what you like to call your profit for being there at the right time to act as the middle man. If they ask you to pass the savings on to you invite them not to and if they complain then invite them to buy it themselves back when you did if they want it at that price so badly. Characters aren't that interchangable, if you set a price and stick to it and people want it then they will pay it, even if it's high.

Lucas, you're outside your knowledge here and it shows. You were when you criticised Gevlon on the topic of character training and selling too (although he didn't do PO2s).

As for 6 month holds, what you hold and for how long depends on your starting capital and what you're into. If you have a small wallet and want to actively work it then you want to buy underpriced liquid toons and immediately relist in order to keep your isk moving and multiplying as often as possible to build up a bankroll. Once you have more to work with and want to build a portfolio you can start buying toons with incomplete skillsets (jump skills, large turrets V, no dread for example) and round them out to get a premium from the people who don't want to train them themselves. You can use account game time tricks to negate the 2 plex transfer cost so short term complete and flip trades are pretty cheap and accessible. Once you've already bought every underpriced toon on the bazaar and relisted it though and you still have trillions to work with you can start training them from scratch. If you use the game time tricks you can save a lot of plex and if you train for the right things you can sell a toon that used 4b of plex to make for 13b without much difficulty. Doing this rewards scale, training 50 toons the same way isn't much harder than training 2. You just open up a bunch of clients altering the account name slightly according to the pattern and set the same thing on each of them.

This is why most people are poor.
even if you're a faceroll away from (500mil x 15 =) 7,5 bil passive income a month, you still find something to QQ about. "sounds like effort!" yep. and this is why you mine.

the peasant's guide to riches is trial & error. we've all been there. if you want to get there faster, try my ponzi.

Maybe 4 skill queue updates a month so we're looking at 125m per login, 10 updated simultaneously for a total time of about a minute so we're looking at about 1.25b/minute. Wouldn't log in for much less, your suggestion I do this day in day out is kinda silly.

There is nothing unique about what I do beyond my experience of the bazaar and my ability to accurately guess what someone will pay for a given toon. Anyone can learn this. You're not getting that what people paid for a toon has literally zero relevance on what it's now worth.

The idea that most income from chars is training them is wrong. Flipping is just as good if you want to get into it and is a better, albeit less passive, way of making isk. If you want to actively work a bankroll then buying and selling will generate you far greater returns but the isk/minute is way lower. Training is only good if you have trillions lying around and don't want to manage it but still want more trillions.

Again, you are way, way outside your area of expertise and are just saying things that are flat out wrong here. I don't know why you would think your 2 cents have any value on this topic.

Why would it matter whether or not they would or would not invest? All you need is capital and you can just ask for a normal loan and not tell anybody what you're using it for. The only thing that is different is that you can't provide collateral unless you do other stuff apart from character trading as well.

I don't see the point of this discussion. Plus if you're doing character trading, unless you're awful at it, you shouldn't need people investing in you to have significant returns.